Interesting: ALL WORKING FOR SCALE?? In the "spirit" of the 60's???? Are they kidding? Good for Groff for taking a stand.
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Yes, good for his giant ego giving someone else a job they deserve. I know there are literally thousands of actors that would love to play the role, for scale.
There are enough desperate actors out there that every show in New York could be cast with actors working for scale. That's justifiable how, exactly?
The lead of a show does harder work and more scarce work than an ensemble member - you need to pay for that scarcity. Spirit of the 60s, my ass.
I think it absolutely sucks that Hair can't raise enough money right now, because the Central Park production was sensational. But this is a for-profit Broadway run we're talking about now, even if it did originate at the Public. It has very little to do with the collectivist hippie ethos at this point, if it ever did. The Public wants to use this to make money, and good on them - they'll need it to fund more offbeat productions, educational programs, and other money losers.
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Everything the above posters said is true. That said, I offer you my talent in exchange for one (1) Klondike bar. Non-refundable, one time only payment. Think about that. Pay some ACTOR scale, or pay a random message board poster who can prove he has the talent via the wonder that is the computer one measly Klondike bar? This could be the wave of the future, to say nothing of making a nice dent in your budget so you can raise the money a little more easily.
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Yeah, i'm gonna go ahead and call MAJOR bull**** on that one. They may have more individual stage time, but harder work? Not always, and in fact, very rarely.
I was under the impression that Groff couldn't do the show because it clashed with some previous commitments. Like a major motion picture and the premiere of Craig Lucas' new play.
Reidel is SUCH a douche.
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I think he's right that if they're going to go "in the spirit of the '60's" then the ticket prices ought to reflect that as well. Updated On: 12/17/08 at 11:27 AM
The lead of a show does harder work and more scarce work than an ensemble member - you need to pay for that scarcity. Spirit of the 60s, my ass.
When RENT opened on Broadway, (and I assume for the length of its run) every cast member had the same pay. They knew that they were a team and the ensemble worked just as hard as the leads and without any one of them, the show would not work. It's unusual, but it's not unheard of.
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When RENT opened on Broadway, (and I assume for the length of its run) every cast member had the same pay. They knew that they were a team and the ensemble worked just as hard as the leads and without any one of them, the show would not work. It's unusual, but it's not unheard of.
You're delusional if you think that Rapp and Pascal worked for scale when they returned, or are going to work for scale on the new national tour.
You're delusional if you think that Rapp and Pascal worked for scale when they returned, or are going to work for scale on the new national tour.
What exactly is your point? Rapp and Pascal are legitimate stars now, far more than the other actors they'll be sharing the stage with--in roles they famously originated, to boot. Hell, when they returned to Broadway the show's entire ad campaign centered around them...of course they should be making more money now. But that was not the case when Rent opened in 1996, so Yero's point still stands.
Jonathan Groff, Tony nominee though he is, was far from any sort of headliner in this summer's Hair and we shouldn't think of him as one now. His career is still starting out, and Hair is still an ensemble piece. I certainly don't hold anything against him for leaving Hair is he feels there's better money to be made elsewhere (he's probably right), but he isn't really the star of the show...he's more like what the principals in the OBC of Rent were to the rest of the ensemble in 1996, as Yero said.
So...I'm not sure what you were trying to say.
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No one in their right mind would contend that Groff should get paid like Anthony Rapp would in a show today - but I also don't think it's unreasonable for him to expect to be paid higher than scale.
Also, we need to separate the idea of everyone being paid the same from everyone being paid scale - was the latter situation what happened with Rent? I'm genuinely curious.
But in any case, if you want to pay your whole cast the Broadway equivalent of minimum wage, it's still ridiculous to call it "in the spirit of Hair" or whatever the hell, when this is a money-making enterprise being staged in a for-profit context. I mean, if you're going to go there, at least have the courage of your convictions - put all the box office gross in a pool and give everyone some equal percentage of it, from the director to the actors to the stagehands to the producers. Now that would be collectivist.
Or hey, you can just say, "We're paying everyone in the ensemble scale because we're having a hard time capitalizing." That might lose you your lead, but at least it makes some freaking sense.
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What exactly is your point? Rapp and Pascal are legitimate stars now, far more than the other actors they'll be sharing the stage with--in roles they famously originated, to boot.
Re-read what Yero wrote. He stated, "When RENT opened on Broadway, (and I assume for the length of its run) every cast member had the same pay.
Emphasis mine. There is simply no way that for the length of its run, every cast member in Rent made the same amount of money. You really think that when they started to stunt cast, the likes of Drew Lachey, Scary Spice, and Joey Fatone all made the same amount of money as the kid in the ensemble making his Broadway debut? Highly, highly doubtful.
And no, Groff should not be making the same amount of money as Rapp or Pascal is now, that wasn't my point. My point is that the producers wanting everyone to work for scale "in the spirit of the show" is b.s. As has been pointed in the thread, this is a for profit venture. If the goal is to make money, why should the cast, particularly the lead, work for less money? In the spirit of the show, ticket prices should be a lot lower.
Groff is well known enough now and a big enough asset to Hair that asking him to play for scale is a little insulting, especially since he was so well received in the park. I can totally understand that.
As for Pal Joey, I'm finally seeing it tonight so hopefully I'll get a better sense of what everyone is gossiping about.
No one being paid any more than anyone else in the cast is called a 'favored nations contract'. It would not be out of line for the 6-8 main principals of Hair (or Rent for that matter) to all be on favored nations deals.
I do think it would be out of line for everyone to be on a favored-nations-at-scale deal. Can agents collect commission on scale salaries? It was not the case back in the day.
However be careful how the word "star" is used. A star sells tickets and sells a lot of them. Someone playing a lead is not always a star. They may be well known within the business but stars also last.
In the original Hair, Rado and Ragni may have made scale in 1968 as actors, but they were also collecting author royalties.
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