Any Buffy Fans- Page 24

[MenzelManiac]

Posted: 8/18/06 at 11:37am

Good defense.

But I meant that Kennedy was an afterthought. Telling fans that Willow was in Brazil with Kennedy gave fans a nice feel of continuity.

You're cute.

[wyou17]

Posted: 8/18/06 at 11:43am

"Telling fans that Willow was in Brazil with Kennedy gave fans a nice feel of continuity."

If you want continuity, tell us Willow is in India with Oz




Kidding of course. Yay, Gay Willow.

ETA- And you have great taste, Maniac

I mean...in cookies.
Updated On: 8/18/06 at 11:43 AM

[GuyfromGermany]

Posted: 8/18/06 at 11:45am

This thread is heading in a strange direction...

[wyou17]

Posted: 8/18/06 at 11:47am

It's not an unfamiliar direction for Maniac and I, though, GfG.

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 8/18/06 at 11:56am

Wyou, I did not know about that sitcom you've mentioned. But do check out Minor Accomplishments. It's so good.

Regarding the Willow/Cassie scene. Did you guys know (fun trivia) that there was a scene written to replace it (but they ended up deciding they wanted Willow in the episode) having Xander be confronted by his old pal, Jesse (Eric Balfour, who was vamped in the first couple of eps!)?
interestingly enough, they went with Cassie and "Conversations with Dead People" is the only episode in which Xander does not appear.

[andyf]

Posted: 8/18/06 at 12:01pm

I love "Conversations with Dead People." Definitely one of my favorites. And "Checkpoint," another classic.


PS - PS- I just read that there is only one character who appears for the entire legnth of the series life, from Buffy presentation reel to the last episode of Angel. Not the answer I would have immediately thought of...

Who is it?

[wyou17]

Posted: 8/18/06 at 12:09pm

I had read that about Jesse awhile back. That would have been interesting. I would like to have seen it IN ADDITION to Willow having a scene, though, and not in place of. But, in terms of rewarding long-time fans with continuity, bringing back Jesse would have been ridiculous. I would fanboy-freak-out.


There is only one character who appears for the entire legnth of the series life, from Buffy presentation reel to the last episode of Angel:

Mercedes McNab as Harmony Kendall

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 8/18/06 at 12:16pm

WYou, I believe they ran into scheduling problems with him as well. He was either doing Six Feet Under or that cop drama he appeared on.

[wyou17]

Posted: 8/18/06 at 12:19pm

And you really can't blame the writing (or the show at all) when their first and second choice to be featured in a pivotal episode can't make it back for scheduling reasons. That's the trade off with a long-running show: plenty of time to develop and learn about characters, but years of commintment from actors.

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 8/18/06 at 12:22pm

Yeah. Ultimately, Cassie worked fine. I thought she was such a great character and could have actually seen Cassie in the Scooby Gang.

[wyou17]

Posted: 8/18/06 at 12:29pm

I wouldn't go that far. But, for a guest spot with only two featured appearances, they managed to make an awful lot out of the character.

Some of the dialogue in her first episode gets a little Lifetime Movie-of-the-Week, though...

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 8/18/06 at 12:39pm

oh yeah, her dialogue drifted that way as so much of season 7's dialogue did (those Buffy "inspirational" speeches? yeesh).
But I really dug the Cassie character, her "gift." I could see how she'd have fit into a supernaturally-inclined gang.
MUCH better than Kennedy and whatever the name of the SLayer was whom Indigo played.

[wyou17]

Posted: 8/18/06 at 12:54pm

I liked Rona. It's always nice to suddenly have someone who knows nothing about what is going on and who questions everything.

Buffy had proved herself to viewers. But she hadn't proven herself to these girls. If I found myself in a ridiculous situation like that, I would have been all "Whatchu talkin' about, Willow?" too It is a ridiculous story to be introduced to that late in the game.

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 8/18/06 at 1:02pm

<--- HAT.ED.RONA.

Couldn't stand her for PRECISELY the reasons you mention above. She's new to the situation. SO Buffy hadn't earned anything in her mind. Rona had been made aware of what she was (a potential) and what Buffy WAS. But they didn't like her. They decided she wasn't doing it right. The hysterical thing to me is that Buffy pre-season 7 would have never put up with a revolt from the "masses." I think it was a bit of a copout to create a little tension.

[wyou17]

Posted: 8/18/06 at 1:17pm

I don't think it was a copout. I think Buffy leaving to find perspective, Faith having to step up and lead for once, and the Potentials wake up call were all necessary. The same way Xander's accident with Caleb was necessary. Willow and Xander would never have allowed Buffy to be mutinied against before that. But, seeing how she was losing perspective, seeing how vulnerable they all were gave them the state of mind to see what needed to be done. They were all better for it.

You're right. Buffy of past seasons would not have left that way. But Buffy of season 7 would. She grew up.

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 8/18/06 at 1:21pm

But, see, that's my problem with it.
Look at it. 7 years of Buffy saving their butts, time after time. They got off REALLY lightly, with a few bumps and bruises on the whole.
Suddenly, Xander finally gets really hurt (he's known the dangers from day one) and Buffy can't protect them? Law of averages. And they just rail into her and make her feel like a complete failure. I don't buy it.

[wyou17]

Posted: 8/18/06 at 1:26pm

She was getting reckless. She led them into the wine cellar not knowing what they were doing. She was solely responsible for any injury or death. She wasn't thinking. She's lucky Xander wasn't killed (I wouldn't have put it past Joss...)

She needed to step back for a minute. And she was grown up enough to know that. She didn't want to leave, but knew it had to happen.

[MenzelManiac]

Posted: 8/18/06 at 1:33pm

It was an enormous sign of growth for Buffy to step back. Could you imagine Buffy in the beginning having the strength to do that?

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 8/18/06 at 1:36pm

Yeah, but not just step back. They told her to leave. I don't think they ever would have done that.
It's more than acknowledging your mistakes, they staged a coup. Then, when they realized they couldn't do it, they crawled back. And then there were hardly any consequences to that, either.

[wyou17]

Posted: 8/18/06 at 1:40pm

There was maturity in that, too.

It wasn't time for for grudges or waiting for an apology or for 'told you so's. There was a more important, pressing matter. Back to the mission.

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 8/18/06 at 1:49pm

Again, though, considerable problem there for me. I do not think, knowing EXACTLY what Buffy's led them through in the past, that they would have asked her to leave, especially given just HOW unproven Faith was at the time.

[wyou17]

Posted: 8/18/06 at 1:55pm

Faith was the 'cool mom.' Buffy being so hard on the girls meant that Faith could be the good cop. When talking about teenage girls, there would have been no contest.

The girl who yells and charges us blindly into battle

or

The girl who takes us to clubs and makes jokes.


I think Willow and Xander were affected by the eye injury, Giles had been told Buffy no longer needed his help, Robin was impressed by Faith, Dawn thought about what Joyce had told her in Conversations, and Spike (who would NEVER have let it happen) was not part of the meeting. I would still defend the whole thing.

[bwaysinger]

Posted: 8/18/06 at 2:00pm

Well, this is why we both like things for different reasons.
I just had serious problems believing Willow and Xander, eye injury or not, would have kicked her out. She thought so, too.
I mean, really, as much as I love Xander, can you really blame Buffy for not making Xander stay behind anymore? I mean, how many times did she have to fight with him when things were too dangerous for him but he wouldn't take no for an answer?

[wyou17]

Posted: 8/18/06 at 2:17pm

Yes, if the show weren't so well-crafted, you wouldn't be able to see both sides of this argument. For me, I can tell the motivations of all of those characters and they all make sense, whether I agree with them or not.

I don't blame Buffy at all for feeling the way she did about Xander. It is by enourmous luck that he wasn't injured seriously before.

Willow, Anya, Tara, Giles, Buffy, Faith, Joyce, Spike. They were pretty much all seriously injured or hospitalized over the course of the show. I agree law of averages says he had it coming. I applaud the writers for actually injuring him so severely so near to the finale. Like, awwww, you almost made it to the end. Almost.

[MenzelManiac]

Posted: 8/18/06 at 2:18pm

Oh, I miss Joyce.