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Brokeback Backlash - Some Academy Members Won't See it!
#75re: Brokeback Backlash - Some Academy Members Won't See it!
Posted: 2/6/06 at 11:17am
"I think posters like Jane2 and Quibbler assume that just because they didn't love BM that those who did would assume homophobia if it loses"
What? Where do you get that from? Someone on this very board made the statement that if the film loses, it will be because of homophobia. I then said that I'm sure there were many academy voters who do not have homophobic issues, but didn't think the film deserves to win. You have misconstrued the issue on my part, at least.
I'd like to add that I'm a person who does not ever criticize another person for their opinion. I'm secure in my opinions, and am not affected in the least by others. I have no agenda here, thank you.
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#76re: Brokeback Backlash - Some Academy Members Won't See it!
Posted: 2/6/06 at 11:17amNo one is more surprised that I understood the reference than I am (not being one of Robbie's aforementioned four who would get it). But, I think that's only because I remember the reference from when Phyllis and Del were married in San Francisco.
robbiej
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/20/03
#77re: Brokeback Backlash - Some Academy Members Won't See it!
Posted: 2/6/06 at 11:24amAnd it comes FULL CIRCLE! I was going to say he's turned into Phyllis and/or Del, but could not for the life of me remember their names! So I went with DoB.
"I'm so looking forward to a time when all the Reagan Democrats are dead."
#78re: Brokeback Backlash - Some Academy Members Won't See it!
Posted: 2/6/06 at 11:25am
For Robbie:
robbiej
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#79re: Brokeback Backlash - Some Academy Members Won't See it!
Posted: 2/6/06 at 11:26amI think I've finally figured out what the Statue of Liberty does with that torch in her down time.
"I'm so looking forward to a time when all the Reagan Democrats are dead."
#80re: Brokeback Backlash - Some Academy Members Won't See it!
Posted: 2/6/06 at 11:31am
"I lift my lamp beside the golden door"
I guess Lady Liberty has a thing for blondes.
DG
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/2/05
#81re: Brokeback Backlash - Some Academy Members Won't See it!
Posted: 2/6/06 at 11:33amOr showers.
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#82re: Brokeback Backlash - Some Academy Members Won't See it!
Posted: 2/6/06 at 12:07pm
Hi Jane:
Before you question whether or not homophobia will affect the voting, why don't you go back to the original link at the top of the thread? I will even repost the link, so that you can see the source of this thread.
The logic, of course, is that the films cannot be judged fairly if a large segment of the voters refuse to see one film because the guys get it on. "As difficult as it might be for you to hear," (your condescending words, though you never criticize other posters - careful of the high horse you might fall off), it's quite simple. My statement wasn't implying that you have any issues at all, only that you assume that this is about rooting interest (BM lovers vs haters), when it is about whether or not a film is being judged (or not judged) unfairly because of homophobia.
And RobbieJ - I too got the reference!
How Gay will OSCAR Go?
#83re: Brokeback Backlash - Some Academy Members Won't See it!
Posted: 2/6/06 at 12:28pm
Pseudolus, I repeat-someone here made the statement that if the film loses, it will be because of homophobia. I simply responded to that one statement that there could be many voters who are not homophobic but didn't love the film. My remark had nothing to do with a link or an article. Simple as that. A reaction to a statment.
My remark which you deemed condescending was my reaction to the constant innuendos posted here that imply homophobia on the part of anyone who didn't love the film. Quite frankly, I believe that some people on here are very blinded by the cause and cannot look at this issue objectively-they can't fathom that a person can actually be free of any homophobia, yet still not like the film. Well, no one here knows me well enough to assume that about me.
And I might add that as soon as I posted my opinion of the film, I was personally insulted by a few people here. I have not personally insulted anyone for posting an opinion. I respect others' opinions, and they don't impact me other than being interesting to read. Call it high horse or anything you like, Pseudolus.
I'm sorry you're not able to see that I'm addressing the same issue as you are.
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#84re: Brokeback Backlash - Some Academy Members Won't See it!
Posted: 2/6/06 at 1:32pm
I'm a straight guy who went to see the movie, and I don't think it's nearly as polarizing or charged as some people on both sides are making it. It was a fine movie, good performances, well shot, but in the end I wasn't totally moved by it, and I didn't leave thinking, "Wow, what an important movie for our times". I think by and large, most people will go to see it and go, "That was really good...you want to go to Starbucks?"
I think some high profile people on both sides are causing the controversy, not the people going to see it (or not). There are people in the gay community (cultural writers, etc) who are treating it as if it were the Holy Grail of gay films, and already planting the seeds to say that it was robbed because of homophobia, etc. People in the religious right are using it for their usual "Hollywood is pushing its gay agenda on our poor, unsuspecting children" crusade. Both give too much weight to something that, in the end, is just a two hour piece of entertainment. I think a far more interesting and complex debate being played out right now between those two factions is the Chad Allen/END OF THE SPEAR story.
And, honestly...in the end, is there really anything wrong with a straight guy who says, "Eh...I'm just not really all that interested in paying to watch something that depicts two men having sex?" I don't think that's homophobic, I think it's just honest. I don't go to movies all the time because it's going to show stuff I'm not all that interested in seeing.
#85re: Brokeback Backlash - Some Academy Members Won't See it!
Posted: 2/6/06 at 1:40pm
Very good points, bird, and I would add that there are many gay people who have launched full on attacks against the film. It's been a wildly interesting spectrum of responses.
I want to get your last point, but I think my thought is that the goal is to make films like this not about two men getting it on anymore than a hetero love story is about a guy and a girl getting it on. If this were a gay version of Body Heat, then I could agree with you. But, I don't know a single person who said that they didn't want to see Titanic or Shakespeare In Love because they didn't want to see a guy and a girl getting it on--I mean how ridiculous would it be to descrive those films as being about that?
#86re: Brokeback Backlash - Some Academy Members Won't See it!
Posted: 2/6/06 at 1:54pmI get your point, Jerby, but how about this-any time I and gay friends of mine would watch anything whether it be a film, or tv show (at home, I should add) - and straight sex or a woman's body parts were shown, my friends woould stick fingers down their throats and gag, or go running out of the room screaming "oh that's disgusting, gross!" So, since they made me feel badly about being a woman, I can relate to how you feel about the opposite thing!
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#87re: Brokeback Backlash - Some Academy Members Won't See it!
Posted: 2/6/06 at 1:56pmI think gay guys who act like that are f@cking idiots. Grow the eff up. Right?
#88re: Brokeback Backlash - Some Academy Members Won't See it!
Posted: 2/6/06 at 1:57pmI was hoping you'd say that, thanks!
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#89re: Brokeback Backlash - Some Academy Members Won't See it!
Posted: 2/6/06 at 3:10pm
No, I know what you're saying, JRB. And, a movie like this is one more chip in making that happen. To be honest, the sex scene was a little jarring to me, because it's something you don't ever see on film. Lesbians are everywhere. MTV, late night infomercials...these days it's actually kind of hip for girls to be at least "bi". I think we're just so used to seeing that that it doesn't have all that much impact anymore. So for a lot of straight guys, seeing that scene between the two men does put that stamp on it, as "two guys getting it on".
Of course, people who watch the movie know it's about a whole lot more than that.
My problem with that scene was that it took me out of the movie. My first thought was, "Ok, that's Heath Ledger, pretending to have sex with Jake Gyllenhaal". I forgot about the characters. My second thought was, "They've been out there for how long, they probably don't bathe but once a week, they're constantly smoking and drinking, and eating beans...I wouldn't think this was hot even if it was Angelina Jolie and Scarlett Johannsen".
DG
Broadway Legend Joined: 11/2/05
#90re: Brokeback Backlash - Some Academy Members Won't See it!
Posted: 2/6/06 at 3:13pm
"That was really good...you want to go to Starbucks?"
No, not that Starbucks - the other one, across the street.
#91re: Brokeback Backlash - Some Academy Members Won't See it!
Posted: 2/6/06 at 3:14pmI still think (and hope) that it will win Best Picture. As for Crash being better than Brokeback... I don't think so. Updated On: 2/6/06 at 03:14 PM
#92re: Brokeback Backlash - Some Academy Members Won't See it!
Posted: 2/6/06 at 3:17pm
"They've been out there for how long, they probably don't bathe but once a week, they're constantly smoking and drinking, and eating beans"
Hot.
#93re: Brokeback Backlash - Some Academy Members Won't See it!
Posted: 2/6/06 at 3:23pm
bird--very fair comments, but def about the viewer--not the film. 
And 86--huh? Are you saying Crash is better than Brokeback? Huh?? lol
#94re: Brokeback Backlash - Some Academy Members Won't See it!
Posted: 2/6/06 at 3:27pmWhoops! I would never say that if I was wide awake. Let me just change that, and... Aha!
#95re: Brokeback Backlash - Some Academy Members Won't See it!
Posted: 2/6/06 at 3:28pm
I think this year's award show should be exciting. Why? because I thought there were a lot of really good films and the competition is hot!
Does anybody here remember when they had those awful but fabulous production numbers? and when people really dressed badly? what do we have to laugh at now?
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robbiej
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/20/03
#96re: Brokeback Backlash - Some Academy Members Won't See it!
Posted: 2/6/06 at 3:35pm
Once upon a time we could count on Sally Kirkland and Debbie Allen.
The landscape is far less tacky...and far less interesting.
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Kringas
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/27/05
#97re: Brokeback Backlash - Some Academy Members Won't See it!
Posted: 2/6/06 at 3:36pm
I get your point, Jerby, but how about this-any time I and gay friends of mine would watch anything whether it be a film, or tv show (at home, I should add) - and straight sex or a woman's body parts were shown, my friends woould stick fingers down their throats and gag, or go running out of the room screaming "oh that's disgusting, gross!" So, since they made me feel badly about being a woman, I can relate to how you feel about the opposite thing!
I am so with you. I cringe any time a gay guy goes "ew", drops the word "fish," or something to that degree in relation to a woman's nudity or sexuality. It infuriates me to no end.
For what it's worth, I love naked people, whether they are male or female. So feel free to PM.
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#98re: Brokeback Backlash - Some Academy Members Won't See it!
Posted: 2/6/06 at 3:39pm
hey thanks, Kringas!
Back to the awards for a minute-remember it used to be Cher who would always dress up! Actually, a few years ago we had one thing to tear to shreds-Lara Flynn Boyle in the ballet outfit, right?
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Kringas
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/27/05
#99re: Brokeback Backlash - Some Academy Members Won't See it!
Posted: 2/6/06 at 3:40pm
Yep, that was Boyle.
Don't forget Bjork in the swan outfit.
"How do you like THAT 'misanthropic panache,' Mr. Goldstone?" - PalJoey
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