Brokeback Backlash - Some Academy Members Won't See it!- Page 3

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 2/3/06 at 9:33am

CRASH is a big puddle of preachy, peanut-y ass gravy. It will probably win.

[Sing a Song With Me]

Posted: 2/3/06 at 9:37am

In addition to peanut-y, you also forgot corn-y. Or corn-filled.
Plus, let's be reasonable here: they nominated Matt Dillon?
Clearly, the nominating committee of the Academy was inhaling diesel fumes, or else they received an advanced copy of Bush's State of the Union Address, which they then read immediately before commencing nomination voting.

[Rathnait62]

Posted: 2/3/06 at 9:42am

I can't believe in three pages no one has mentioned the fact that quite a few voters don't see all the movies anyway.

[Jane2]

Posted: 2/3/06 at 10:17am

"Well, Kringas, if CRASH wins it certainly won't be because it is a good movie. It will be because some straight men couldn't stand the thought of two guys together."

I have to strongly disagree. As difficult as it might be for you to hear, BBM is not considered a great movie and CRASH is-by a lot of people who don't have the prejudice that you state as the one reason they prefer it. I'm sure even a lot of the posters here have no problem with two guys together yet still didn't love or even like the movie. I'm one of them.

I didn't think CRASH was the best film I saw this year-maybe Squid and the Whale is. But I agree this was a great year for films.

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 2/3/06 at 12:21pm

I'm fascinated by the not so subtle reaction Crash has evoked from those who don't like it. With love it or hate it films, I always respect the film even if I was one of the ones who hated it. I respect it because it gave me such a strong reaction. I walked out of the theatre pissed over Mulholland Drive. I was so mad at it. But I respected it. Later, I came to realize that I actually liked the film--I was just too pissed at the time to realize it. I often find that love it or hate it films can switch from hate it to love it upon a second viewing.

As for Crash, I thought it was beautiful. I thought the performances were excellent. I think more of the actors should have been nominated.

[TheQuibbler]

Posted: 2/3/06 at 1:06pm

I have the feeling that if Brokeback Mountain loses (even it was because the Academy thought it was inferior to the other movies), someone will assume homophobia, even though that may not be the case.

I personally enjoyed both films, but Crash had a deeper impact on me. I find it funny how Pseudolus continiously bashes Crash every chance he gets, he just won't let it go. Yes, there are people who liked it.

[Auggie27]

Posted: 2/3/06 at 3:06pm

Jerby's way earlier post about a mere 21% being required is very much on point. I cannot fathom a groundswell for CRASH that surpasses the BROKEBACK numbers. If there was a beloved *popular* mainstream film in the running -- WALK THE LINE might've been the ticket -- it might've pulled ahead, as an alternative. But after reading post-nomination idustry reports during the week, I suspect the BROKEBACK momentum won't be broken. Curiously, some people think GOOD NIGHT AND GOOD LUCK is more likely than the darker than dark CRASH.

Keep your eye on the WGA awards tomorrow night. If CRASH and BROKEBACK both win, look for pundits to again assume the field is narrowed (they are two different categories.) t I doubt BROKEBACK will lose the Oscar because of people "refusing to see it." Why, there's already a backlash against the BROKEBACK backlash. And the new ad campaign, music on the track, looks most effective. Not too in-your-face.

[Jon]

Posted: 2/3/06 at 3:30pm

I find it amusing that CRASH has been branded as the evil spoiler that will "steal" BROKEBACK'S Oscar.

Meanwhile, the producers of CAPOTE, GOOD NIGHT AND GOOD LUCK and MUNICH are thinking "What are we? Chopped liver???"

If BROKEBACK doesn't win, it WON'T be because of some anti-gay conspiracy.

[melissa errico fan]

Posted: 2/3/06 at 3:42pm

Add me to the list of people who are already tired of Brokeback Mountain. I saw the movie twice and loved it, but my God, if I never hear about it again...

That said, I disliked Crash, as well. It was unfocused and preachy, and it's sad that it got a nomination over much more worthy films like The Constant Gardener or The Squid and the Whale.

I think Capote was the best film of the year and I would cheer loudly if it upset BM.

Echoing Pop, I don't think I'll read anymore threads about this topic from now on.

[DBillyP]

Posted: 2/3/06 at 3:48pm

Good point, Rath, and I have to agree with Auggie. Realistically, how high can the percentage be of people in the Academy who refuse to see the film?

I liked four out of the five films nominated for Best Picture this year. Among three of them, BROKEBACK, CAPOTE and GOOD NIGHT, I would be hard pressed to say which one is the "best." I appreciated CRASH, but it is not one of my favorites. I did not, however, like MUNICH.

[xxnewgirlxx]

Posted: 2/3/06 at 6:08pm

Eh, my favorite film of the year wasn't even nominated!

This is the first time in a LONG time that I haven't seen ANY of the nominated films and don't really have a desire to see any of them, either.

[DBillyP]

Posted: 2/3/06 at 6:24pm

Funny, this is the first time in a long time that I have seen all five BEFORE the nominations came out!

[pab]

Posted: 2/6/06 at 1:03am

"February 5, 2006 -- NOTE to "Brokeback Mountain" director Ang Lee: Not everyone thinks you're the hottest thing around. Silver screen legend Tony Curtis told Fox News' Bill McCuddy he hasn't seen the heavily Oscar-nominated picture and probably won't. And he says the same is true for other Academy members. Why? "This picture is not as important as we make it. It's nothing unique. The only thing unique about it is they put it on the screen. And they make 'em [male gay lovers] cowboys." Waving his finger cautiously, Curtis added, "Howard Hughes and John Wayne wouldn't like it." For the record, his favorite movie of the year? "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire."
Some Like It Not

[jrb_actor]

Posted: 2/6/06 at 1:05am

That undercover fag said that?

[DG]

Posted: 2/6/06 at 1:08am

Howard Hughes would have been jealous.

[Kringas]

Posted: 2/6/06 at 1:09am

I think he'd find it unsanitary.

[pab]

Posted: 2/6/06 at 1:17am

Curtis' Brokeback.

"Spartacus" is most recently remembered for the restored homoerotic undercurrent between Tony Curtis and Laurence Olivier. Having Tony Curtis as a half-naked slave give Laurence Olivier a sponge bath."

Updated On: 2/6/06 at 01:17 AM

[Luscious]

Posted: 2/6/06 at 9:14am

Curtis should have come out of the closet years ago.

[DBillyP]

Posted: 2/6/06 at 9:19am

"This picture is not as important as we make it."

How does he know?!? He won't see it!

And, even if it isn't "important," it's still a good film, in my opinion.

And besides, the award isn't for the "most important" film.

Sheesh.

Posted: 2/6/06 at 9:52am

Thank you, Pab, for returning the thread to it's initial point. Tony Curtis just independently verified the LA Weekly story. His take that "it isn't that significant" even though he won't see it is pure, self-protective homophobia. (John Wayne wouldn't like it - who cares?)

I think posters like Jane2 and Quibbler assume that just because they didn't love BM that those who did would assume homophobia if it loses. But Curtis give us direct evidence of a whisper campaign (if you can whisper on Fox News) - these "straight" men won't see the movie because the guys get it on. This is pretty straight-forward homophobia. Whether or not you like the film has nothing to do with the fact that these "straight" guys are avoiding it like a plague.

Quibbler - my main problem with the annointing of CRASH is that it is not a truthful film in it's depiction of actions, circumstances and dialogue. At least GHOST (to which I have compared it) didn't pretend to some deeper insight that it didn't really have. If CAPOTE had been the annointed the "alternative" I wouldn't be so annoyed, though I think BM a better film. (I hope to see GN&GL & Munich soon).

Auggie - I hope you are correct - but remember that not all the 5 films are going to get equal votes. Example: if Munich, GN&GL & Capote get a total of 30% of the votes, then the winner from the last 2 films would need 35.1%.

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 2/6/06 at 10:43am

pick-a-little talk-a-little pick-a-little talk-a-little
CHEEP! CHEEP! CHEEP!
talk-a-lot pick-a-little more...

I liked both Crash and Brokeback, but if I'd have to choose one, I'd choose Brokeback.

BALZAC!

[robbiej]

Posted: 2/6/06 at 10:44am

I don't think I have it in me to actually discuss BM anymore...

HOWEVER, I'm always up for talking about Ms. Tony Curtis.

My GOODNESS...that old hag has been in the closet for so long that he's actually morphed into a geriatric lesbian.

Have you SEEN him lately? Jesus H. Christ...he's like a one man Daughters of Bilitis meeting.

[Auggie27]

Posted: 2/6/06 at 10:57am

Yeah, Tony now looks like William Shatner on a particularly bad day.

Now that BMM has won the trifecta -- Producers Guild, Directors Guild, and as of Saturday the WGA (the latter shared with CRASH), if it loses the Best Pic Oscar, it will be more famous for the loss than it would for the win, no? The resulting reams of speculation will make it more infamous yet.

[DG]

Posted: 2/6/06 at 11:01am

"he's like a one man Daughters of Bilitis meeting."

OMG, Robbie, I LOVE YOU!

[robbiej]

Posted: 2/6/06 at 11:10am

There were about 4 people on here I knew would appreciate that reference. You, of course, were one!

Glad to oblige.