Election 2024- Page 14

[Pauly3]

Posted: 7/23/24 at 8:43pm

Highland Guy said: "Yet another great big stinking, steaming pile of HOOEY."

I apologize for getting in the mud with you.  You obviously have issues to sort out, and I will leave you alone to do that.

 

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 7/23/24 at 9:03pm

There's a campaign poster I haven't seen till now.

YES  WE  KAM  !!

Love it.

Updated On: 7/23/24 at 09:03 PM

[kdogg36]

Posted: 7/23/24 at 11:26pm

The Trump supporters on here are like flat-earthers. You have a whole bunch of arguments designed to make you look like you're vaguely reasonable. But smart people know it's all baloney and won't waste any time engaging with you.

[binau]

Posted: 7/24/24 at 2:43am

I can’t wait to see if Trump will debate Kamala. I’m hoping and assuming that we haven’t even seen the best of Kamala yet - given her career she should be able to move beyond the kind of emotional talking point level that plagues politics and like a machine coldly and cleanly put Trump in his place. In theory Kamala should be a better debater than both Biden and Hillary. I don’t think we’ve really been able to see it because she is mainly talking to herself (Rallys) or didn’t have enough air time in previous primary debates. 

Updated On: 7/24/24 at 02:43 AM

[Pauly3]

Posted: 7/24/24 at 11:06am

Some smart lefties here won't engage or debate an opposing argument from the likes of me, not because they think the argument being made is baloney, but rather because they, being smart, know their own counter-arguments are weak.  They are too cowardly to concede or even acknowledge a valid point was made.  So instead, they stifle and shoo, or if willing to respond, dodge or change the argument - and/or throw tantrums.

Demonstration is the reasonable method to determine who is full of crap and who isn't.  I demonstrated kdogg, for example, was not only full of crap but a despicable human by pointing out that his hero was a murderer of an innocent man.  That didn't bother him in the least.  He doubled down.

kdogg said, "I'm sure bad things will come out about Thomas Matthew Crooks, but for now I'm comfortable calling him a hero. He will be remembered and honored like the July 20 plotters are in Germany."

and then followed that up with:

"Trump supporters are human garbage. No, that's too generous. Just garbage that should be rotting in a landfill"

kdogg's comments got likes.  Our pal Jay, even said "I haven’t gone quite as far as kdogg, but I certainly understand his stance."

Go ahead, find something to quote of me that remotely touches the insanity of the quoted comments above.  I'm not afraid to have my reasonableness challenged.  Why are you?

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 7/24/24 at 11:19am

binau said: "I can’t wait to see if Trump will debate Kamala. I’m hoping and assuming that we haven’t even seen the best of Kamala yet - given her career she should be able to move beyond the kind of emotional talking point level that plaguespolitics and like a machine coldly and cleanly put Trump in his place. In theory Kamala should be a better debater than both Biden and Hillary. I don’t think we’ve really been able to see it because she is mainly talking to herself (Rallys) or didn’t have enough air time in previous primary debates."

I am a Californian by choice, since 1995.  I can't remember a time when I didn't know and respect and vote for her.  If anyone can stand up to that CONVICTED FELON, it is KAMALA HARRIS.  I have every expectation that she will soon take office as President #47.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 7/24/24 at 12:00pm

Trump voters pride themselves on personal freedom.

How does that square with denying women control of their own bodies+?

Even stepping away from Trump himself, there is still MUCH to criticize the GOP for. Such hypocrisy on so many levels.

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 7/24/24 at 12:31pm

And speaking of Kamala....

She told Rachel Maddow an easy way to remember how to pronounce her first name.  Think of the word COMMA (the punctuation mark).  COMMA-LA.

Now I know.

[Pauly3]

Posted: 7/24/24 at 12:51pm

Jay Lerner-Z said: "Trump voters pride themselves on personal freedom.

How does that square with denying women control of their own bodies+?

Even stepping away from Trump himself, there is still MUCH to criticize the GOP for. Such hypocrisy on so many levels."

There is no squaring the two things you point out.  If taken absent any nuance.  The problem with the example of what you suggest is exemplary of hypocrisy is you leave out the critical piece that involves an unborn child's life.  Leaving out the critical element (significant nuance), is why your example of hypocrisy is intellectually dishonest.

[binau]

Posted: 7/24/24 at 1:46pm

There is so much hypocrisy from both the left and right it’s most pointless to call it out sometimes. The right claim they are about limited government spending and freedoms but that stops when it starts to impact Christian beliefs or values (eg abortion, gay marriage) or when the government departments involve policing and military security.
 

The left claim they are about accepting people for who they are, being honest and truthful, caring about others, and standing up for authoritarian control but that stops when they don’t agree with what people say, when they are faced with uncomfortable scientific facts, and when they need to control the population (in terms of speech and censorship; lockdowns etc). 
 

It’s very easy to criticise all sides of the political spectrum because once you dig even just a little bit below the surface of the arguments you realise that it’s riddled with misinformation, dishonesty, and hypocrisy. And depending on which day of the week and issue it is I can take more or less issue with it. 
 

The one thing that left wing governments do not typically tend to ever be though is theological in nature or trying to implement government policies inline with their religious beliefs. This is not true of the Republican Party which has turned into a dogmatic Christian freak show and this is not true of practically every Islamic country on earth. 
 

This is why in my opinion despite all their flaws the democrats tend to be the lesser of two evils. 

Updated On: 7/24/24 at 01:46 PM

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 7/24/24 at 3:37pm

The Dems are not leftist, though. They are centrist, or perhaps even centre-right. The closest the US ever came to having an actual lefty as President was Bernie Sanders.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 7/24/24 at 3:56pm

What happened to Mike Pence, Pauly? Where is he?

[binau]

Posted: 7/24/24 at 3:57pm

You're right. Although I kind of get the sense that the party has and is shifting to the left now. And likewise over the past 8 years I feel in Western countries we've seen a big cultural shift in popular media and young people towards the left, 'wokeness' if you will. But people like Obama, Biden, Hillary Clinton are not true left wing people.

That is why I was quite surprised when I was engaging more in US politics circa 2015/2016 very deeply what a breath of fresh air Bernie Sanders was and he was arguing for things (healthcare, wage standards etc.) that are already common place everywhere except the US. I remember being ridiculed here for continuing to argue that Hillary Clinton could lose to Trump and that people should vote Bernie Sanders as the polls suggested he would win. I understand in reality it was more complex because Bernie didn't go through the general election process and the polls might have shifted, but I do kind of enjoy feeling a little "I told you so" all these years later. 

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 7/24/24 at 4:05pm

Yeah, Bernie had a chance. Being a man helped. Still, chances are that Trump would have returned in 2020 and gotten in then. After three consecutive Dem terms. Even if he loses THIS time, he’ll probably STILL come back in 2028 on the GOP ticket in a bid to be #48. The man is a cockroach.

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 7/24/24 at 4:22pm

The filthy, racist, mysogynistic attacks against Kamala Harris by the MAGA thugs are increasing in loudness.  Disgusting, but expected.  We MUST vote a Democratic ticket.  

[Pauly3]

Posted: 7/24/24 at 4:26pm

Jay Lerner-Z said: "What happened to Mike Pence, Pauly? Where is he?"

Help me understand the relevance of your question.  Why are you asking me?

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 7/24/24 at 4:27pm

Why is it so often mentioned that Kamala’s mother was from India, but rarely that Trump’s mother was from Scotland? They were BOTH born to immigrants. #WhitePrivilege

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 7/24/24 at 4:40pm

“What happened to Mike Pence?”

The relevance of the question is to illustrate how Trump will always prioritize HIMSELF over the nation. His most loyal manservant for four whole years… thrown under the bus for putting America first.

I’m asking you because you are a Trump supporter, and wonder how you think this portends for the future.

[Pauly3]

Posted: 7/24/24 at 5:24pm

I didn't and don't like the way Trump treated Pence.  Pence did the right thing and did not deserve the crap Trump said about him.

That was a very unique set of circumstances, and I don't think there will be another like it.  If there is - and Trump acts the same way, I will likely regret voting for Trump.  But again, I don't believe there will be anything similar.  Trump's character flaws are a concern for me.  They absolutely are.

Like you stated of support for Biden in the Israel Hamas War topic, a moral conundrum was present as to support or not support Biden.  I have a not so dissimilar one with Trump.  I am not in love with Trump.  Why is it necessary to argue as if I were?  I answer your questions, how about answering this one?

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 7/24/24 at 5:37pm

Gays for Gaza. There are gays in Gaza. The two are not mutually exclusive. I reckon these gays have more of a chance at quality life without being exterminated like insects.

Oops… wrong thread

Updated On: 7/24/24 at 05:37 PM

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 7/24/24 at 5:51pm

Banner headline:  "Harris makes reproductive rights a cornerstone of her Presidential campaign."

Another banner headline:  "Harris brings new energy to abortion rights fight."

Excellent. THANK YOU, Kamala.  Bring it on!

 

[Pauly3]

Posted: 7/24/24 at 6:36pm

Jay Lerner-Z said: "I reckon these gays have more of a chance at quality life without being exterminated like insects."

What are y'alls bets on Harris having more or less influence than Biden in this regard?  Are you optimistic?  If so, why?

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 7/24/24 at 7:08pm

President Biden's address from the Oval Office tonight at 8 PM ET.

Also, it is expected that Kamala Harris will announce her VP choice within the next two weeks.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 7/24/24 at 8:14pm

That was nice. 

“Kings and dictators do not rule this country - the people do!”

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 7/24/24 at 8:41pm

First Lady Dr. Jill Biden:  "Thank you for the trust you put in Joe -- now it's time to put that trust in Kamala."

Updated On: 7/24/24 at 08:41 PM