Election 2024- Page 13

[Pauly3]

Posted: 7/22/24 at 9:37pm

Jay Lerner-Z said: "I never actually tried to justify it. Not once. I simply pondered if one day we might be sorry that Crooks missed. I haven’t gone quite as far as kdogg, but I certainly understand his stance. I was expressing thoughts, no more."

Yes, you expressed thoughts and nothing more.  And I and others pointed out the absurdity of your thoughts.  Again and again, you have had ample opportunity to clarify your thoughts.  You pushed forward, repeatedly, rather than retreat from your weakly demonstrated "expressed thoughts" that it is or might be or could be OK to kill Trump.

You understand the attempted assassin and murderer is kdogg's hero, and you don't quite go as far as him?  180 degrees away from him would be the appropriate path.  A man attempted to murder Trump and DID murder someone else, and kdogg recklessly and emotionally publicly declared Crooks a hero - and after having it pointed out that his hero is ALSO a murderer, kdogg can't bring himself to delete, modify or even clarify his comment.  Oh wait, he did clarify further saying anyone who supports Trump is literal garbage, so it obvious kdogg is perfectly fine with the murder that took place in addition to the attempted assassination on July 13th.  That guy has deep emotional problems, not unlike the guy that did try to assassinate Trump AND who murdered an innocent man.  And you don't quite go as far as kdogg?  What the hell is wrong with you?

[Pauly3]

Posted: 7/22/24 at 9:46pm

South Florida said: "P.S. Who would we like as running mate? Newsom is out on constitutional grounds, I believe, so that leaves Kelly or Cooper? Buttigieg possibly, but sadly I agree with uncageg…

Joe Lieberman"

Was this an attempt at a joke?  WTF

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 7/23/24 at 12:09am

Pauly…

Some of us understand what is at stake in this election.

You don’t.

That’s what it comes down to.

[Pauly3]

Posted: 7/23/24 at 8:55am

Jay, I can make assumptions about what you think is so critically at stake, but rather than doing that would you please help clarify what it is that is so critically at stake that warrants level-headed Republicans (if there is such a thing) vote against their interests, specifically related to policies, and vote with Democrats this time around?  If I have worded my question poorly, I am happy to clarify.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 7/23/24 at 9:34am

What's at stake?

I'll start small - your own integrity.

How you can turn a blind eye to such severe character flaws, I just don't know. Racist and dangerous hatemongering. Corruption. Complete disregard for fact. The list goes on and on an on.

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 7/23/24 at 10:18am

Beyonce comes through again!

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/22/entertainment/beyonce-freedom-harris-campaign/index.html

[Pauly3]

Posted: 7/23/24 at 10:32am

Jay, I'm disappointed you can't provide a more specific answer to my question.  Given I asked for help in understanding your side of the what's at stake question, answering by attacking my integrity is childish and demonstrative of a weak argument on your side.  I will address your comments, regardless.

I don't share your opinion that Trump is an obvious racist.  Biden's past (real or perceived) racial commentary is right there with Trump's (real or perceived) racial commentary.  I might be wrong, but that would not reflect an integrity issue.  To be clear, I don't think Biden is an obvious racist either.

Hate-mongering?  I don't know.  Maybe.  I think also, maybe, Trump's buffoonish inarticulate speech - combined with such hate towards him and constant repeated assertions about him - and Trump's "orange middle finger" push back response nature - makes him look, to you, like something he may not actually be.  I will guess you think this sounds stupid.  You're free to think so. I simply disagree and put the answer to this question as being not nearly as clear as you would argue.

Corruption and disregard for fact?  The same assertions are made of Biden.  Most of the mass media hammers Trump on this and mostly refuses to address the claims made of Biden.  The mass media, up until VERY recently, was far more friendly to Biden.  They even ran cover for him (e.g. constant repeated "Russia disinformation" claims regarding Hunter's laptop).  Much of the mass media was not interested in Democracy when they covered up the scandal that was Hunter's laptop contents.  The way the two were/are treated is so vastly different, it is no wonder Democrats despise Trump (to the same level as even Hitler) and love Biden.

I think for myself and find it difficult to trust a biased media (I include Fox News in that).  I may be wrong in what I conclude, and I allow for it.  You likely don't believe that.  My question was honest, and I will ask again:  what is at stake that is so critical in this election?  I will inquire further; what do you believe will go so entirely wrong if Trump were re-elected?

[binau]

Posted: 7/23/24 at 10:39am

I always have found it funny that Trump has been portrayed as this ultra right wing evil dictator....since the very first days in 2016 primaries republicans were complaining he wasn't conservative enough and while many won't speak openly about it now I believe the sentiment still exists that Trump is not a real republican. He has basically hijacked the party. I personally find other republicans - many of which are much smarter and more religious than Trump in their convictions - a much bigger threat. I can only hope that the Democrat party has a good long-term strategy because I'm quite sure Trump is not the worst we've seen. 

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 7/23/24 at 11:37am

binau said: "I always have found it funny that Trump has been portrayed as this ultra right wing evil dictator....since the very first days in 2016 primaries republicans were complaining he wasn't conservative enough and while many won't speak openly about it nowI believe the sentiment still exists that Trump is not a real republican. He has basically hijacked the party. I personally find other republicans - many of which are much smarter and more religious than Trump in their convictions - a much bigger threat. I can only hope that the Democrat party has a good long-term strategy because I'm quite sure Trump is not the worst we've seen."

That's kind of the problem, Trump is the key that unlocks the door that allows all these are other people in. In his first term he f*cked the Supreme Court for a Generation and got the right to abortion thrown out. The people who pushed for that are the ones behind the wheel and their intentions are to push further. Clarence Thomas has already postured that Interracial, Gay Marriage, and Birth Control should be re-examined among various other issues. Like...they're straight up telling you what you want and people still acting confused about what's so bad about a second term are just looking so damn ignorant. Like... he left his last term championing an insurrection on the Capitol with intents to kill his VP to which his response was "It seems they're more concerned about this election than you are."

Don't play dumb.

Updated On: 7/23/24 at 11:37 AM

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 7/23/24 at 11:48am

President Biden will address the nation tomorrow (July 24) at 8 PM ET.

Meanwhile, in the past 36 hours (or so), the Harris Campaign has received more than $100M in donations.

 

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 7/23/24 at 12:18pm

“Freedom” is another of the words hijacked by the GOP. I’m glad Beyoncé is allowing Kamala to use her track for the campaign. That’s nice.

A better thing to do would be to donate the $20 million dollars she got from the misogynistic Dubai oligarchy, but one step at a time.

[binau]

Posted: 7/23/24 at 12:20pm

Who knows if the momentum will die down, but I'm quite shocked and impressed how much positive buzz behind Kamala Harris there has been. 2 months ago it felt like everyone hated her, and she wasn't even expected as a VP. Now everyone is going crazy for her. I'm quite surprised the public opinion can change so quickly lol. 

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 7/23/24 at 1:38pm

Sing out, Randy!

 

[South Florida]

Posted: 7/23/24 at 4:42pm

"Don't play dumb."

I don't think they're playing.

[Pauly3]

Posted: 7/23/24 at 5:05pm

"Anyone who studies the history of ideas should notice how much more often people on the political left, more so than others, denigrate and demonize those who disagree with them — instead of answering their arguments."  --Thomas Sowell

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 7/23/24 at 5:09pm

“Lock her up! Lock her up! Lock her up!" — MAGA nuts

Updated On: 7/23/24 at 05:09 PM

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 7/23/24 at 5:39pm

Kamala Harris:  "We will be a people first Presidency."

Donald "Convicted Felon" Trump:  "You can do anything.  Just grab 'em by the P***Y."

[kdogg36]

Posted: 7/23/24 at 5:41pm

I can't imagine anyone here cares much about satisfying a Trump supporter's specified burden of proof to win an argument.

[Pauly3]

Posted: 7/23/24 at 6:15pm

Yes, I don't expect proof or evidence or merit is anything most of you are interested in.  There may be exceptions though.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 7/23/24 at 6:28pm

Well you seem to have no qualms about Trump lacking those traits, so perhaps you hold us - strangers on a message board - to a higher standard?

[Pauly3]

Posted: 7/23/24 at 6:42pm

There are only two candidates, and there are many things to consider.  I am not "all in" on Trump and never have been.  It is "Trump Derangement Syndrome" that leads you to think the worst of me and others that may be like me.  Between the two candidates (whether Biden before or Harris now), I choose Trump because I think the world was a better place, prior to Covid, during Trump's administration than it has been since the current administration took over - and Trump's policies (not behaviors) better align with my beliefs.  That you can't see reason in that is also due to "Trump Derangement Syndrome".

"There are no solutions, only trade-offs"

 

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 7/23/24 at 6:58pm

On your conscience be it.

[MysteriousLady]

Posted: 7/23/24 at 7:00pm

Pauly3 said: "Yes, I don't expect proof or evidence or merit is anything most of you are interested in. There may be exceptions though."

If you hold the people on this board in such low regard I don't know why you bother with us. Seems like you would want to find a discussion board with your intellectual equals. I will be voting for a prosecutor who locked up sexual predators; you support a sexual predator. That is your right. 

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 7/23/24 at 7:13pm

Pauly3 said: "There are only two candidates, and there are many things to consider. I am not "all in" on Trump and never have been. It is "Trump Derangement Syndrome" that leads you to think the worst of me and others that may be like me. Between the two candidates (whether Biden before or Harris now), I choose Trump because I think the world was a better place, prior to Covid, during Trump's administration than it has been since the current administration took over - and Trump's policies (not behaviors) better align with my beliefs. That you can't see reason in that is also due to "Trump Derangement Syndrome".

"There are no solutions, only trade-offs"

Yet another great big stinking, steaming pile of HOOEY.

 

Updated On: 7/23/24 at 07:13 PM

[Pauly3]

Posted: 7/23/24 at 8:41pm

MysteriousLady said: "If you hold the people on this board in such low regard I don't know why you bother with us. Seems like you would want to find a discussion board with your intellectual equals. I will be voting for a prosecutor who locked up sexual predators; you support a sexual predator. That is your right."

I don't hold myself up as more intellectual than others here.  I would guess many here have far more education than I have.  I hold myself up as more reasonable, more tolerant and more able to be decent than most here though.

Unlike most of you, not all, but most, I appreciate hearing views from those I am not likely to agree with.  And if after an argument has been made, I might find new respect for those I don't agree with.  Unfortunately, it is rare that has happened here, you know, because most, again not all, are not reasonable, tolerant or able to be decent.  That doesn't mean I won't continue looking for the opportunity to try again.