Election 2024- Page 28

[Pauly3]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 10:24am

ACL2006 said: "Jay Lerner-Z said: Dumpster's MSG Nazi rally really made him look bad."

"You all" never learn.

 

[ACL2006]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 11:19am

BREAKING: The MAGA Republican responsible for setting fire to Arizona ballot drop boxes has been caught. He’s the one behind burning ballots, trying to sabotage the voting process. Looks like his little plan backfired, and now he's going to face the consequences.

[ACL2006]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 11:22am

Pauly3 said: "ACL2006 said: "Jay Lerner-Z said: Dumpster's MSG Nazi rally really made him look bad."

"You all" never learn.

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He literally had a speaker at MSG talking about it being a Nazi rally. Get your blinders off!!

https://x.com/maddenifico/status/1850622040539095277?t=vThr2Vl8B72aPKvyoEYHXg&s=19

[Pauly3]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 11:37am

ACL2006 said: "BREAKING: The MAGA Republican responsible for setting fire to Arizona ballot drop boxes has been caught. He’s the one behind burning ballots, trying to sabotage the voting process. Looks like his little plan backfired, and now he's going to face the consequences."

Maybe there is a new story more breaking than I am aware, but I haven't seen any stories that say any Arizona ballot drop boxes were set on fire, let alone multiple drop boxes.  A suspect was identified and arrested for setting a US postal mailbox on fire where some ballots were damaged and/or destroyed.  In that story, there is no evidence it was politically motivated - and the man stated he did it because he wanted to be arrested.

 

[Pauly3]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 11:39am

ACL2006 said: He literally had a speaker at MSG talking about it being a Nazi rally. Get your blinders off!!

https://x.com/maddenifico/status/1850622040539095277?t=vThr2Vl8B72aPKvyoEYHXg&s=19"

Where is it that he's talking about a Nazi rally?  Not in the video you posted.  The X user who posted the video mentions it, but he's just another guy who never learns, it seems.  If you have something of actual merit, bring it forward.

Also, regardless of any political motivation, the culprits should be condemned and face punishment to the fullest extent of the law.

Updated On: 10/29/24 at 11:39 AM

[kdogg36]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 11:58am

Zeppie2022 said: "I asked "South Florida" if Harris getting the nomination without one vote from a Democratic voter sounded like democracy in action and got no reply -lol."

I'm not a Democrat, as you know, but I'd like to address this. The Constitution doesn't specify how parties choose their nominees; it doesn't even contemplate the existence of parties. Normally the two establishment parties choose their nominees by primaries, but it's not unreasonable to have a mechanism in place to choose another candidate when the presumed nominee withdraws late in the process. 

Republicans really want to have it both ways on this issue - they whined that Biden was old and senile, but then they whined louder when the Democrats actually did something about it. 

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 12:13pm

And if we’re so hung up on actual voting preferences, shouldn’t we abolish the electoral college? For all the talk of it being close, does anyone here really expect Trump to win the popular vote? 

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 12:30pm

Zeppie, your concerns for democracy ring hollow. Your choice wanted his VP to overturn the 2020 election. Have you forgotten that? If he gets back in, what will JD Vance do four years from now?

[Zeppie2022]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 1:40pm

"I'm not a Democrat, as you know, but I'd like to address this. The Constitution doesn't specify how parties choose their nominees; it doesn't even contemplate the existence of parties. Normally the two establishment parties choose their nominees by primaries, but it's not unreasonable to have a mechanism in place to choose another candidate when the presumed nominee withdraws late in the process."

Even hear about an "open" convention? Let the delegates for each state vote for the nominee which is basically how it was done before each state had primary. That way at least you have some Democratic voters deciding on the nominee. Not that hard "Kdogg".

"Republicans really want to have it both ways on this issue - they whined that Biden was old and senile, but then they whined louder when the Democrats actually did something about it. "

Sorry, disagree with you. The "whining" was the fact that Harris was selected and not voted for by members of the Democratic party. The party that preaches democracy is in peril selected their nominee in a very un-democratic fashion. If process was open, who knows if Harris could have beaten somebody like Newsom.

[Pauly3]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 1:54pm

kdogg36 said: "Republicans really want to have it both ways on this issue - they whined that Biden was old and senile, but then they whined louder when the Democrats actually did something about it."

Many did whine that Biden was old and senile, which many went too over the top about it (e.g. Fox News = whining).  You're conflating the appropriate pointing out of pushing Biden aside with whining about it.  Pushing the candidate out who had won the primary process is not in line with Democratic principles, and it's not whining to point it out.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 2:21pm

Speaking of principles aligning… why do so many Christians vote for Trump? It makes no sense. Would Jesus demonize illegal immigrants, or would he treat them humanely? My guess is he would be a Bernie Sanders supporter.

I don’t get it. CINOs, I guess… Christians in name only.

[Pauly3]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 2:25pm

Like Democrats will vote against the other side rather than for their own side, so too will Republicans and so too Christians.  Being Christians are more so Pro Life than Pro Abortion, it's not a difficult to understand why Christians would vote for a guy who speaks entirely in-eloquently about illegal immigrants but who favors Pro Life.

[ACL2006]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 2:30pm

I never understood the Christian following that #45 gets. He doesn't go to church, has cheated on all 3 of his wives, and the garbage disposal that is his mouth ain't exactly innocent material. Yet the MAGAs want to turn this back into a white, Christian nation...

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 2:51pm

I am in favor of abortion rights, but still regard myself as Pro Life. I reject your label. "Anti Choice" would be a better fit. Pro Life and Pro Gun are mutually exclusive. A real Pro Lifer would want to help migrants make the most of theirs.

Agreed ACL, Christians/Evangelists are funny. I mean, how can they listen to a sermon on The Good Samaritan, for example, and then go to a MAGA rally? I mean, scripture obviously goes right over their heads. Sad. 

 

[Zeppie2022]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 3:09pm

"Zeppie, your concerns for democracy ring hollow. Your choice wanted his VP to overturn the 2020 election. Have you forgotten that? If he gets back in, what will JD Vance do four years from now?"

Nice try Jay, let's review a couple of things. On this thread me and others were asked about Jan 6th. I said Trump was stupid that day to hold a rally because tensions were high and something bad could happen and it did. I also stated that the election was not fixed. Neither were the court cases Trump filed (and lost) saying there was fraud. I also mentioned Trump tried to bully his VP (Pence) into overturning the election and glad Pence stood up and said no.  I think it was in the beginning of this thread; I said Republican primary voters were stupid voting for Trump and should have nominated DeSantis or Haley. I have also called Trump a scumbag in at least one post, and this begs the question why you think I am a Trump guy -lol. You have mistaken support of Republican policy on immigration, taxes and women's sports as supporting Trump instead of the policy. You have no idea who I voted for with the exception of not voting for Harris. I could have voted for Trump or a 3rd party candidate. That is between me and my family, 

If Trump wins again and I doubt it, JD Vance would probably run for POTUS because Trump can only serve one more term. Jay, the Democrats are the ones who constantly say Trump is a threat to democracy. Once again, I will mention Trump was POTUS for 4 years and the democracy is still standing. I just think you and others are hypocrites about the threat of democracy but are just fine with your nominee being selected and not having the people in your party have some voice. Yes, I understand Biden stepped down late but as I said to "Kdogg", they could have had an open convention and give some people a voice. Maybe it is me Jay, but being selected as a nominee is not democracy in action. 

Updated On: 10/29/24 at 03:09 PM

[Pauly3]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 3:22pm

Jay, you are widening the scope of what Pro Life is, because what you are arguing is a different argument based on a different definition of what Pro Life is than was offered.  Relative to the abortion debate, which was the only context I offered, your response is erroneous and irrelevant.

"Anti Choice" is as absurd a term as "Pro Choice".  The Left uses those terms because they have to 1) make an unborn baby's life as invaluable as a tumor and 2) distort the other side of the argument in order to participate in the argument.  No one wants to control woman's bodies for some insane reason (which the Left likes to claim or imply).  It's the Life growing inside that people want to protect, and therefore deciding policies that protect the unborn child and consider woman's health is complex and extraordinarily difficult.  "You all" ignore that part.  And "you all" attempt to make the issue simple when it's plainly not.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 3:41pm

Why do Republicans stop giving a sh!t about human lives once they’re out of the womb? After that, it’s dog-eat-dog. Market forces above all else - education, healthcare, housing etc. “There’s no such thing as society” Reagan and Thatcher both agreed.

If you recognize unborn foetuses as citizens, as you seem to, how can a liberty-loving conservative justify one person controlling the body of another person for nine months? 

Updated On: 10/29/24 at 03:41 PM

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 3:47pm

Zeppie, I acknowledge that Trump was never your first choice. Or Pauly’s. Still, at this point, the only way to stop him is by supporting Harris Walz. Failure to do so makes you a Trumper by default. Sad, but true.

[Pauly3]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 4:21pm

Jay, no amount of distilling everything to simple ideas will make complex issues simple.  This includes abortion, education, healthcare, etc. as well as who we support when we must decide between ONE OF ONLY TWO candidates.  People on my side of the abortion argument are guilty of the same thing when they call Pro Choicers murderers, as an example.  Those types of simplistic expressions are not a good method of discourse.  Completely unproductive.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 4:31pm

It’s such a complex issue, you are right… which is why self-determination is the only way. Let each pregnant person make their own choice on the matter. A general consensus will never be reached.

[Pauly3]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 4:46pm

I believe, within our lifetimes, you are correct in that a consensus will never be reached.  Which is why compromise is the only reasonable path forward.  Demanding one simplistic solution where not only is there no consensus but where there is massive disagreement is all sorts of problematic.  For example, how about since precious life begins at conception, "the only way" is to let every unborn child be born?  No?  Not so simple, is it?

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 5:02pm

Compromise - only women get a say on this issue?

Men can just stay shtum.

Updated On: 10/29/24 at 05:02 PM

[Pauly3]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 5:12pm

Exactly, now you understand.  You are demonstrating you understand by providing another example of the absurd sort of solution I was talking abo..... oh wait, you're attempting a different point?  Never mind.

[South Florida]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 5:15pm

I'm sorry Dumbplican ( the b is silent, don't you love nicknames), you did answer my initial question, you were repulsed, but it was no big deal..

"I was repulsed by what I saw on January 6th and in the aftermath.  It wasn't Hitler bad, nor was it even close.  It wasn't even the so-called insurrection "you all" demand it was.  Had "you all" 1) cured yourselves of Trump Derangement Syndrome at some point AND 2) put up a remotely decent candidate, I would be casting my vote for your candidate.

Unfortunately, "you all" are oh for two."

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 5:24pm

They were repulsed, but no so repulsed as to stop it from happening again.