Election 2024- Page 29

[kdogg36]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 5:59pm

Jay Lerner-Z said: "Would Jesus demonize illegal immigrants, or would he treat them humanely?"

If there's something the Bible is consistent about - both the Old and New Testaments - it's the importance of treating strangers with kindness. It's the closest thing it has to a running theme.

[Pauly3]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 6:03pm

"You all" still never learn.  I will keep trying though.  I was repulsed by an extraordinarily ugly riot.  Not not a big deal.  You overstate what occurred, and you believe I understate it.  That's fair.  But "you all" aren't interested in fair, and it does not appear you have any idea what fair is.  You go too far and butcher the argument you argue against and then argue against the butchered version.

I OBVIOUSLY don't believe another repulsive riot will occur, so Jay, your comment is absurd.  You're better than South Florida (which isn't a high bar), but I believe you can do far better.  Please recognize that and try.

[kdogg36]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 6:07pm

Jay Lerner-Z said: "If you recognize unborn foetuses as citizens, as you seem to, how can a liberty-loving conservative justify one person controlling the body of another person for nine months?"

This is definitely my take on the issue. Even if we assume that every fetus is a human being, no human being has the right to usurp the resources of another person's body like that, even if their life depends on it.

Updated On: 10/29/24 at 06:07 PM

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 6:18pm

One more week.

Now I await Kamala Harris's "Closing Argument" this evening at the site of the wannabe dictator's January 6th crime scene.  I have made numerous donations to the Harris/Walz campaign (and other Democratic candidates, as well).  I have voted by mail, and my vote has been counted.  I have posted Kamala's photo at our front door.  Wherever and whenever possible, I have sung the praises of the Democratic Party that I have loved since childhood.  I have done what I can to help ensure that we survive as a Nation that embraces ALL our citizens.

KAMALA/WALZ  2024  !!

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 6:20pm

Well, Pauly, it’s not obvious to me. Donald Trump caused Jan 6. Arguably directly, certainly indirectly. He poisoned the political atmosphere so much that it became inevitable. He continues to do so.

He still has not conceded 2020.

Sidebar: Which makes me wonder about the term-limit amendment which states anybody already twice-elected is ineligible for the office.  Sorry, Don.

Updated On: 10/29/24 at 06:20 PM

[Zeppie2022]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 6:59pm

"Now I await Kamala Harris's "Closing Argument" this evening at the site of the wannabe dictator's January 6th crime scene. I have made numerous donations to the Harris/Walz campaign (and other Democratic candidates, as well). I have voted by mail, and my vote has been counted. I have posted Kamala's photo at our front door. Wherever and whenever possible, I have sung the praises of the Democratic Party that I have loved since childhood. I have done what I can to help ensure that we survive as a Nation that embraces ALL our citizens."

You really are full of yourself -lol. Try being humble and stop patting yourself on the back. I will sum up VP Harris closing argument in a few words. "Trump is evil" -lol

[Zeppie2022]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 7:16pm

"And if we’re so hung up on actual voting preferences, shouldn’t we abolish the electoral college? For all the talk of it being close, does anyone here really expect Trump to win the popular vote?"

Of course not, that is a no-brainer. Biden won NY by 2 million votes and California by 5 million votes in 2020. That is hell of a lot of votes to overcome in other states. 

[kdogg36]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 7:17pm

Zeppie2022 said: "I will sum up VP Harris closing argument in a few words. "Trump is evil" -lol"

As someone who would never have voted for a Democrat before 2016, that is indeed the beginning and the end of the argument for me. Kamala Harris might be just a normal crappy politician, but it's continually shocking to me that anyone thinks that Donald Trump is a plausible choice to be president under any circumstances. 

[ACL2006]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 7:29pm

Pauly3, since you don't believe #45 cheated on any of his wives, here's an article that details his affairs and the numerous allegations that at least 26 women have accused Trump of sexual misconduct, with allegations stretching back to the 1970s and running through 2016.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-melania-stormy-daniels-affairs-marriages-timeline-2018-3#at-least-26-women-have-accused-trump-of-sexual-misconduct-with-allegations-stretching-back-to-the-1970s-and-running-through-2016-5

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 7:32pm

Very enthusiastic crowd waiting for our next President's speech at the Ellipse.  Brilliant move to have the Ellipse as the location for what is being called the most important speech of Harris's life. 

FREEDOM  !!.

Updated On: 10/29/24 at 07:32 PM

[South Florida]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 9:29pm

Paul was appalled. He thoroughly rejected your claims about 34 convictions, cheated on wives, paid off porn star, ties to Proud Boys, no plan, and would be fine if Vance took over and started shooting people, not funny. If you check those beefs are not mine, they are ancillary. But he still hasn't answered my questions about climate change, and Russia love. Is NATO dumb, should we allie with Putin?

 

[Zeppie2022]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 10:39pm

"Pauly3, since you don't believe #45 cheated on any of his wives, here's an article that details his affairs and the numerous allegations that at least 26 women have accused Trump of sexual misconduct, with allegations stretching back to the 1970s and running through 2016"

Mind boggling that you make this point about Trump. Bill Clinton had oral sex with an intern in the place (White House) that he lived with his wife and daughter. He also had rape and sex accusations from several women. That was ok back then because Democrats told us you can separate his personal life from his ability to do the job. Had many affairs did JFK have in short time he was POTUS? That was ok because he was handsome charismatic Democratic POTUS. Of course, Trump cheated on his wives, that is not exactly a news flash. It is not something to be proud of, but most people really don't seem to care about it anymore from people who run for office.

[Zeppie2022]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 10:42pm

"As someone who would never have voted for a Democrat before 2016, that is indeed the beginning and the end of the argument for me. Kamala Harris might be just a normal crappy politician, but it's continually shocking to me that anyone thinks that Donald Trump is a plausible choice to be president under any circumstances."

Because while Donald Trump may personally be horrible human being, millions of people think the country was better off when he was POTUS than now. We shall see in a week.

[kdogg36]

Posted: 10/29/24 at 11:32pm

Zeppie2022 said: "Because while Donald Trump may personally be horrible human being, millions ofpeople think the country was better off when he was POTUS than now. We shall see in a week."

To be honest, I don't think presidents have much control over how well off I am. But if I did, I'd point out that there's only one time in my 51 years that I had to scrounge around for toilet paper and ground beef, and that was under Trump's watch. 

But also: don't ever vote for a horrible human being. If you think all of the candidates are horrible human beings, leave that line blank or write someone in. There is no excuse for taking part in the election of a horrible human being as president or anything else. 

Updated On: 10/29/24 at 11:32 PM

[ACL2006]

Posted: 10/30/24 at 8:06am

Pauly is requiring proof of things about #45 that he deems untrue. hence why I added that article and earlier linked several Tweets of MAGAs with the Nazi flags as Pauly tends to believe the two aren't connected or that Sunday's MSG rally had no Nazi connections.

[Pauly3]

Posted: 10/30/24 at 9:18am

ACL2006 said: "Pauly3, since you don't believe #45 cheated on any of his wives, here's an article that details his affairs and the numerous allegations that at least 26 women have accused Trump of sexual misconduct, with allegations stretching back to the 1970s and running through 2016.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-melania-stormy-daniels-affairs-marriages-timeline-2018-3#at-least-26-women-have-accused-trump-of-sexual-misconduct-with-allegations-stretching-back-to-the-1970s-and-running-through-2016-5"

 

I never said I believe Trump never cheated on his wives.  I said I have no idea if that is true or not.  I then referred to others who cheated on their wives who you likely support, which negated your point even if you were 100% correct that Trump cheated on all of his wives.  You want to have it both ways, accuse me of being perfectly fine with Trump (someone I DON"T admire) cheating on his wives and excuse the same behavior of people you DO admire.  This is just another case where "you all" butcher my argument and then argue against the butchered version.

If my argument is so incorrect or bad, you shouldn't need to distort it to argue against it.

 

[Pauly3]

Posted: 10/30/24 at 9:26am

ACL2006 said: "Pauly is requiring proof of things about #45 that he deems untrue. hence why I added that article and earlier linked several Tweets of MAGAs with the Nazi flags as Pauly tends to believe the two aren't connected or that Sunday's MSG rally had no Nazi connections."

The tweets you linked to did NOT backup your assertions, stated or implied, that Trump is/was perfectly fine with Nazi's displaying their garbage at his rally's.  And the MSG rally had exactly ZERO connection to Nazi's.  The tweet you linked to regarding that was a fail, and I pointed that out to you previously.

You have a bad record pointing to stories that you deem legitimate.  Are you still looking for a link to the "breaking news" that a MAGA supporter set fire to multiple ballot boxes?  Or was that fake news?  You have failed to demonstrate any credibility.

[Pauly3]

Posted: 10/30/24 at 10:06am

South Florida said: "Paul was appalled. He thoroughly rejected your claims about 34 convictions, cheated on wives, paid off porn star, ties to Proud Boys, no plan, and would be fine if Vance took over and started shooting people, not funny. If you check those beefs are not mine, they are ancillary. But hestill hasn't answered my questions about climate change, and Russia love. Is NATO dumb, should we allie with Putin?"

Continued distortions.  The accurate version is:

1. Yes, I was appalled by what occurred on Jan. 6th, but not to the extent you were - because we disagree on the actual crimes committed as well as the level of Trump's direct or indirect involvement.
    
2. Yes, I did reject the 34 convictions, because, given the circumstances in which the charges were brought, the entire charade was absurd.
    
3. I did NOT reject the allegation Trump cheated on his wives.  I stated I didn't know and added context that indicated the point was moot due to similar behavior AND support of other prominent figures that indicated (to anyone who can be bothered to reason) that arguing Trump's cheating is hypocritical.
    
4. I did NOT reject paying off a porn star.  I rejected the porn star's credibility based on what she herself wrote in her book.
    
5. I did NOT reject ties to Proud Boys.  I questioned it, because I am unfamiliar with said "Proud Boys" and unfamiliar with any ties.
    
6. I do NOT reject anything of the sort that Trump has no plan.  I indicated IF that is true, I'd rather he do nothing than have Harris at the helm.  I have previously stated I think Trump will do much of what he did in his first term, so that isn't exactly "no plan".
    
7. I did indicate I would be fine if Vance was at the helm, however I did NOT indicate I would be fine if he started shooting people.  Knowing "you all" will attack for frivolous and ridiculous reason's I guess I should have clarified and specifically stated I would be OK with Vance at the helm but not with shooting anyone.  I guess that was my bad, given I know the level of absurdity you will go to.

When you can demonstrate reasonableness - and stop playing games, I will answer any question you like.

[ACL2006]

Posted: 10/30/24 at 10:13am

A MAGA Supporter:

https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/neptune-beach-police-hold-briefing-arrest-linked-armed-disturbance-polling-location/QJQ5CUYQG5AADP2INBWW2CMILA/?taid=6721a6931f27550001282db0&utm_campaign=trueAnthem_manual&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

The comparison of his MSG rally and Nazis

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/28/us/politics/trump-msg-rally-speaker-remarks.html

Neo-Nazis at a boat rally 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/neo-nazis-crash-trump-boat-parade-florida-1235133637/

 

But keep insisting he's not connected to a Nazi movement of some kind. The MAGAs really get upset when he's compared to Hitler.

[ACL2006]

Posted: 10/30/24 at 10:29am

Republicans tend to ignore who the Proud Boys are, but they're frequently at his rallies and have ties to January 6. A simple Google search would lead to know their history.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2024-09-20/proud-boys-trump-violence-authoritarian

[Pauly3]

Posted: 10/30/24 at 10:49am

ACL, you pointed to NOTHING that indicates Trump is OK with anything related to Nazi's.  That there are garbage human beings who happen to be on Trump's side, doesn't mean Trump is aligned with them on any white-supremacy or Nazi agenda.  The same is true of Antifa human garbage aligning with your side.  It doesn't mean your candidate is aligned with their agendas and actions.

And NOTHING In the Times article indicates the MSG rally had anything to do with Nazi's.  So yes, comparing Trump to Hitler is nonsense and offensive.  And if you're going to continue with it, then you should expect the horrendous insults that get fired back.  That's not to suggest I agree that is a good approach for Trump.

I think the Trump campaign should have vetted their speakers much better than they did.  They are wide open for criticism and deservedly so.  But when "you all" go over the top, you know what that does?  It makes people like me not care what was said in that rally.  Caring about decency diminishes.  Because comparing Trump to Hitler in any serious way is worse than anything said at that rally.  And it makes people like me want to appreciate, more and more, the big fat orange middle finger that is Trump.

If Trump is so evil, you shouldn't need to lie and distort what he says and thinks.  "You all" continue to be your own worst enemy.  Kind of similar to how Trump is too often his own worst enemy.  There is no surprise why this race is close.

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 10/30/24 at 11:30am

Zeppie said "Trump cheated on his wives, that is not exactly a news flash. It is not something to be proud of, but most people really don't seem to care about it anymore from people who run for office."

From men who run for office. You really think if Kamala (or any other woman) had numerous affairs, numerous husbands, numerous children with different men etc. that nobody would care? She'd be called a sl#t, trash, and more. She never would have gotten the Veep job, never mind top of the ticket. Such is society. This is never a level playing field.

[Zeppie2022]

Posted: 10/30/24 at 11:51am

"From men who run for office. You really think if Kamala (or any other woman) had numerous affairs, numerous husbands, numerous children with different men etc. that nobody would care? She'd be called a sl#t, trash, and more. She never would have gotten the Veep job, never mind top of the ticket. Such is society. This is never a level playing field."

Whose fault is that, Jay? 

[Zeppie2022]

Posted: 10/30/24 at 11:57am

"To be honest, I don't think presidents have much control over how well off I am. But if I did, I'd point out that there's only one time in my 51 years that I had to scrounge around for toilet paper and ground beef, and that was under Trump's watch."

Gee. I wonder if worldwide pandemic had anything to do with that situation. That is really lame "Kdogg", you can do better -lol. BTW - you were going around scrounging for toilet paper because idiot people were buying up way more than was needed and caused the shortage.

[ACL2006]

Posted: 10/30/24 at 1:23pm

So if #45 wants to end the comparison to Hitler, why can't he tell his base to stop adding the Nazi flags to the MAGA flags at his rallies? They're at all of his rallies and his knows this. Maybe if his rallies weren't littered with them and Confederate flags, the connection between him and Hitler would go away.

 

https://x.com/MichaelCohen212/status/1851425978012291184?t=GzY79Nd-sNCIx3voyh0K9A&s=19