Getting closer to outlawing abortion? — Page 2

Oh...my statement is certainly not rational. But, as Namo once pointed out, when the AIDS epidemic hit, gay men changed their behavior remarkably fast so they wouldn't die. But there are many (of course not all) straight folk who simply don't take responsibility for their sexual practices and end up in less than desireable (sp?) situations. And since the current administration is doing their best to make sure folks out there aren't given enough knowledge about responsible sexual activity and what can be used to prevent both sickness and unwanted pregnancies, people aren't really getting a whole lot of positive reinforcement regarding these issues.

That said, how hard is it really to slip on a condom or take a pill every day? Or hey, if you're a teenager, why not try flying solo, or keeping seuxal activity limited to those actions which won't cause pregnancy? Why do ya always got to stick it in?

I never want to see a woman's right to choose limited. But I would also like to see people start making smarter choices. I've seen a very large number of my female friends have to choose between carrying a pregnancy to term or ending it. And it's a very difficult, painful choice.

And in regards to those two in the original post, both should be in jail cause they're just too stupid to be allowed to roam free.

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But this falls under the 'fetal protection laws'. So that's why he was convicted - they tried him fairly, and found that, as the law currently stands, he committed a criminal act. So the issue of abortion doesn't strictly come into it, but I definitely see your point, DGrant.

And to back up WindyCityActor's point - where I live, abortion is still illegal, and that is definitely the situation. People who choose to abort their pregnancy travel abroad, or go to 'abortion ships', which sail just outside the national waters.

Bunch - I'm not getting into how I view this particular case. I simply observed that it seemed like a precedent is being established that will allow the legalization of abortion to be challenged.

Let me ask YOU something - however I may or may not view this particular situation, do you not feel that some could use this in the anti-abortion cause?

DGrant- no I don't think it could be used as an abortion precedent. Because it's a different law, it's fetal protection, not anti-abortion law. There is a definite distinction b/c of the mother's right to choose.
As much as people say abortion laws are changing, I think people's practices are, when roe v wade happened we lived in medically, very different times. The sociological and religious will always come in to play and it will always be challenged, but on this particular case, I think they've already tried to use these type of cases and been shut down on it.

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Don't some places require minors to have written parental consent in order to have an abortion? Perhaps the girl believed that her parents would not have allowed her to have one. Not that that makes the situation alright, but it may have been a factor.

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Dgrant - these fetal protection laws have exceptions for doctors performing abortions, otherwise they would be struck down as unconstitutional (for now).

I was so taken back by Robbie's diatribe, that I could not respond.

What these kids did was so bizarre. I would have charged him with battary against the woman and argue that she cannot consent to such harm.

I recall discussing this issue in a legislation class in law school. The issue was whether a tortfeasor (I love that word) could be sued for damages for injury to a fetus. The woman would have a cause of action, but the question was whether the fetus if born would have a cause of action. That was a question of civil liability, not criminal.

Obviously, these fetal protection laws are designed to put a chink in the armor of Roe v. Wade.

thanks brdlwyr and DGrant, interesting discussion.

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Some days, it's just not worth getting out of bed.....

The whole thing makes me sick.

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" I think that it's precisely *because* straight folks don't have any threats to their rights"


in this day and age though (again, for now) getting pregnant is the very least of your worries.
But it happens all the time. Whether your straight or gay. I just don't like any of the sexual orientation finger pointing.

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"in this day and age though (again, for now) getting pregnant is the very least of your worries."

I don't know about you, but if I were to get pregnant right now, I would be a complete wreck. And I still stand by everything I said.

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I'm sorry, "If people are too f*cking stupid to learn how to use birth control, how am I supposed to muster up any sort of feeling of compassion"

I guess I just don't view things so black and white.

if someone were to turn around and say that about gay man who doesn't use a condom and gets HIV. you'd show him no compassion?

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