Posted: 4/13/15 at 1:52pm
You want people to evolve. That's the best case scenario. And gay activists worked long and hard to help create a space in which it was no longer political suicide to do the right thing for gay people.
Wonder what the 'band was doing during all that time? Certainly not contributing, probably criticizing.
Posted: 4/13/15 at 1:52pm
Posted: 4/13/15 at 2:00pm
Touche Jay! You're not nearly as bad as me.
Posted: 4/13/15 at 2:15pm
Posted: 4/13/15 at 2:23pm
So, what's the big deal? Wall Street loves Hillary almost as much as Big Pharma and the insurance companies love Obama.
No politician is 100 percent good. If they were, they wouldn't be politicians. (They'd be schoolteachers. Right, Erik?)
You don't vote for someone because of what's wrong with them. You vote because of what's RIGHT about them.
(And because of what's wrong about their opponents!)
Updated On: 4/13/15 at 02:23 PM
Posted: 4/13/15 at 2:26pm
Well I'm not sure why you keep bringing up Obama since I didn't vote for him in 2012 either.
And the whole "no candidate is going to be 100% good" is kind of silly. Of course no candidate is going to be 100% good.
For me the bad of Clinton far outweighs the good.
Posted: 4/13/15 at 2:31pm
I'm looking forward to in-depth discussions here and in real life with Erik and others as the next two arduous years play out. But we have to be clear about calling out do-nothings who go on and on and on about how "we" have to "take our country back" but never do anything practical to make that come about because they're only interested in relentless grandstanding while hiding their true agendas. Flat tax. It is to laugh.
Posted: 4/13/15 at 3:32pm
From what I can tell, here are our options:
Madame President Hillary Clinton, who was a First Lady, then a Senator, then Secretary of State, who has come under scrutiny for every decision she has ever made, from her hair, outfits, to homes, and emails. She's either a raging alcoholic or on really good meds because she hasn't let any of the negativity affect her public persona. She puts up with constant BS from the right, who never shuts up about Benghazi and the emails.
or
Any number of white men, some of them only recognized because of their Tea Party affiliations, or because they are sons of old white men politicians. They are all the same: Women hating, anti marriage equality, anti-immigrants, ammo-sexuals, theocrats, anti-healthcare, pro-war, pro-family, but only if you want the 1950s family.
Cruz, Rubio, Santorum, etc, wouldn't last a day if they had to handle the 24/7 scrutiny that Clinton has had to face.
I can't wait until I get to vote for Hillary.
I also agree that Warren is going to be a much better Senator than President, at least for now.
I'm also already gearing up for Newsom, once he gets bored with being Governor of CA. Once Harris joins Capitol Hill, and Newsom, with Clinton as Pres, it'll be the end of the Republican party.
There's been no talk of this, but I would love for Mayor Parker, out of Houston, to run as Texas Gov.
Posted: 4/13/15 at 3:48pm
ammo-sexuals
That's brilliant. Did you just make that up?
Posted: 4/13/15 at 3:52pm
And then, of course, you can always vote for Republican Carly Fiorina, whose response to Hillary's video was:
"I'm not running because I'm a woman. The facts are I am a woman. I've never been a token in my life."
Posted: 4/13/15 at 3:54pm
No. And implying that's the only other choice is just another straw man argument.
Posted: 4/13/15 at 4:03pm
Still, this is only the beginning. The (far too early, far too tedious, far too monetarily wasteful) beginning.
It's time to make it clear here that we are willing to discuss things in good faith and not deal with trolling trolls who despite all evidence to the contrary exclaim "THEY ARE ALL EXACTLY THE SAME THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE, SOMEBODY'S PAST BEHAVIOR BEYOND WHICH THEY HAVE EVOLVED IS EXACTLY THE SAME AS SOMEBODY ELSE'S CURRENT BEHAVIOR."
So that means no discussing this stuff with the 'band, who eliminated the possibility of good faith dialogue AGES AGO.
Posted: 4/13/15 at 4:08pm
I *wish* I could claim "ammo-sexuals", but I can't.
Personally, I want nationwide marriage equality. I want a nationwide healthcare program that works for everyone. I want higher minimum wage. I want women to have the right to choose what works best for them. I want less war. I want nationwide education standards, not state-by-state mandates. I want better sex education. I want religion out of the government. I want to end the war on drugs. I want to legalize pot. We should take better care of those less fortunate, like the elderly, the young, the poor, the impoverished. America should also take better care of its vets.
I will align what I want with what the nominees want, regardless of party, race, or sex.
I'm an Atheist, but sometimes I feel like I'm a better Christian than most people I know.
Posted: 4/13/15 at 4:20pm
^ If that list is accurate, you definitely don't want to vote for ANY of the Presidential candidates. Including Hillary Clinton. She is against legalizing marijuana, she voted in support of numerous "freedom of religion" laws, and she has done nothing but pander to Wall Street cronies over the last eight years. Those cronies will guarantee her substantial donations and kickbacks/perks in exchange for her assurance that she will not take on income inequality and the oversight of bank spending, lending, etc.
Posted: 4/13/15 at 4:27pm
STOP.
No one is going to engage with somebody who claims to think a flat tax will help the poor. Just stop.
Posted: 4/13/15 at 4:35pm
But yeah, go ahead and support the current burdensome tax code which allows many wealthy individuals to utilize loopholes and deductions to avoid paying their "fair share," thus putting more pressure on the lower and middle class.
P.S. Did you know a certain someone just recently approved a sizable tax credit/deduction for Yacht owners? I think it was in New York, maybe? And it was passed by a Governor, I think. But I just cannot seem to recall which political party he's a member of. Oh, wait. No, I do. It was Gov Andrew Cuomo (D). Income inequality is real and heavily supported by many "progressives," who wish to continue sucking off the teet of Wall Street. Such as Hillary Clinton.
Posted: 4/13/15 at 4:41pm
STOP.
Go change the world. You do NOTHING by bitching at people here about how you're right and they're wrong.
NOTHING.
Yammering at people to do something is not the same as doing something.
Updated On: 4/13/15 at 04:41 PM
Posted: 4/13/15 at 4:50pm
How strange that they're all the same and (therefore) all deserve the same level of condemnation and scrutiny, yet of the four who have announced, only Hillary is receiving the blunt end of the stick here.
Posted: 4/13/15 at 4:51pm
That IS strange, isn't it?
Posted: 4/13/15 at 4:58pm
If anyone starts a thread in support of those Republican dumbasses, I'll be there too highlighting their faults and flaws and hypocrisies. Not my fault that everyone is circle-jerking over a Wall Street mistress.
Posted: 4/13/15 at 5:02pm
You really overuse the words and phrases "dumbasses" and "POS." You really can't carry off brospeak.
So, other than browbeat a community wherein you have no credibility through no fault but your own, what EXACTLY have you done to bring about the change you want to see? You know, the "we" and the "take back our country" parts? Oh, nothing? Well, moving on.
I really like Vulture's 8 Songs Hillary Clinton Should Use on the Campaign Trail
Updated On: 4/13/15 at 05:02 PM
Posted: 4/13/15 at 5:03pm
https://forum.broadwayworld.com/readmessage.php?thread=1079987&boardname=off&boardid=2&page=1
Updated On: 4/13/15 at 05:03 PM
Posted: 4/13/15 at 5:10pm
^^^^^ Bad news, the 'band's credibility ratings have dropped to unprecedented negative numbers with zero margin for error.
[private to growl: Here's where the 'band will probably go on and on about having a life beyond an anonymous message board blah blah blah diddy blah blah blah]
Updated On: 4/13/15 at 05:10 PM
Posted: 4/13/15 at 5:12pm
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