"I Judge You When You Use Poor Grammar" - NY Times- Page 3
"I Judge You When You Use Poor Grammar" - NY Times
#50re: 'I Judge You When You Use Poor Grammar' - NY Times
Posted: 10/31/07 at 10:34amI hate it when people say "astrik" instead of "asterisk" or "ekcetera" instead of "etcetera.
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MatthewAddison
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#52re: 'I Judge You When You Use Poor Grammar' - NY Times
Posted: 10/31/07 at 1:17pm
The indefinite third person is common in speech, and I think in verbal interaction is easier and more appropriate than saying the sexist "his". His/Hers is tiresome, and "hers" is sexist as well.
It's still a no-no in newspapers, though.
The general rule there is to just try to make it a plural construction if at all possible, thereby making the gender-neutral "theirs" correct.
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#53re: 'I Judge You When You Use Poor Grammar' - NY Times
Posted: 10/31/07 at 2:44pmThe one that that always annoys the hell out of me is the mis-spelling "definately" for "definitely."
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#54re: 'I Judge You When You Use Poor Grammar' - NY Times
Posted: 10/31/07 at 2:49pm
Same, Roscoe. And the other mistake that just makes me roll my eyes is the reversing of "loose" and "lose". You can't "loose" your car keys. It just makes very intelligent people look dumb when they type that.
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Updated On: 10/31/07 at 02:49 PM
#55re: 'I Judge You When You Use Poor Grammar' - NY Times
Posted: 10/31/07 at 4:04pm
It just makesvery intelligent people look dumb wne they type that.
Heh.
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TheatreDiva90016
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#56re: 'I Judge You When You Use Poor Grammar' - NY Times
Posted: 10/31/07 at 4:15pmSubposably...
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RetroBoy
Broadway Star Joined: 10/1/07
#57re: 'I Judge You When You Use Poor Grammar' - NY Times
Posted: 10/31/07 at 4:27pmJust politely correct the person who made the mistake. Don't make a federal case out of it.
touchmeinthemorning
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#58re: 'I Judge You When You Use Poor Grammar' - NY Times
Posted: 10/31/07 at 5:00pm
The general rule there is to just try to make it a plural construction if at all possible, thereby making the gender-neutral "theirs" correct.
Which is absurd. We shouldn't force ourselves into plural construction because we have no viable options. I vote to include "theirs" as proper.
I should also point out that people often make mistakes when speaking and writing informally -- and to point those out is probably a tad ugly. Now, if you're mentioning to a student or coaching someone to speak formally, then by all means. But, we should make allowances for the vernacular.
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Updated On: 10/31/07 at 05:00 PM
RetroBoy
Broadway Star Joined: 10/1/07
#59re: 'I Judge You When You Use Poor Grammar' - NY Times
Posted: 10/31/07 at 5:02pm^ Me no understang wha' ju tryin' to say miztair.
#60re: 'I Judge You When You Use Poor Grammar' - NY Times
Posted: 10/31/07 at 5:06pm
Jesus's, not Jesus'
It is not a plural of Jesu.
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Updated On: 10/31/07 at 05:06 PM
Wanting life but never knowing how
#61re: 'I Judge You When You Use Poor Grammar' - NY Times
Posted: 10/31/07 at 5:10pm
Actually, Jesus' is correct. With proper nouns that end in an s, you put the apostrophe at the end.
With regular nouns, you do add the 's regardless, unless the next word begins with an s.
So:
My boss's pants
My boss' shoes
Bizarre, huh?
But actually, there's not a consensus on this rule. Again, I just go by what the AP tells me to do, drone that I am.
#62re: 'I Judge You When You Use Poor Grammar' - NY Times
Posted: 10/31/07 at 5:17pm
Nukular
Julery
No.
NUCLEAR
JEWELRY
And I just LOVE nuclear jewelry. It's my favorite!
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TheatreDiva90016
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#63re: 'I Judge You When You Use Poor Grammar' - NY Times
Posted: 10/31/07 at 5:36pmHell, EVERYTHING that comes out of George Bushes mouth...
"TheatreDiva90016 - another good reason to frequent these boards less."<<>>
“I hesitate to give this line of discussion the validation it so desperately craves by perpetuating it, but the light from logic is getting further and further away with your every successive post.” <<>>
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#64re: 'I Judge You When You Use Poor Grammar' - NY Times
Posted: 10/31/07 at 6:13pmHeh, touche Lizzy...that's what happens when I eat a bag of Hershey's kisses and try to post...
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#65re: 'I Judge You When You Use Poor Grammar' - NY Times
Posted: 10/31/07 at 11:21pmCalvin, we had a huge debate in my writing class back in college where multiple grammar books and authorities were consulted. Even the AP said Jesus's was correct.
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#66re: 'I Judge You When You Use Poor Grammar' - NY Times
Posted: 10/31/07 at 11:36pmWhat about when people say something like "I've been singing since I'm 10"?
#67re: 'I Judge You When You Use Poor Grammar' - NY Times
Posted: 10/31/07 at 11:51pm
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#68re: 'I Judge You When You Use Poor Grammar' - NY Times
Posted: 11/1/07 at 12:04am
Yeah, ~FF~! I love when old people make titles or locations possessive or plural:
"I'm gonna go shop at Walmarts."
"Kmarts is down the street. They have the Martha Stewart's Collection!"
I kinda like that usage you're complaining about.
Yep,, I'm old.
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#69re: 'I Judge You When You Use Poor Grammar' - NY Times
Posted: 11/1/07 at 12:06am
The problem with this thread is that it preaches to the choir. The people who need to read this rules are not reading this thread.
#70re: 'I Judge You When You Use Poor Grammar' - NY Times
Posted: 11/1/07 at 12:07amMy daughter and I were at a bookstore one time and asked the clerk for directions. She said to go down the skreet. I wasn't sure I heard her right so I asked again. She repeated it was down the skreet. Now it's an inside joke with my daughter and me! Sometimes, we even go down the skreet so we can get a skrimp dinner! mom
#71re: 'I Judge You When You Use Poor Grammar' - NY Times
Posted: 11/1/07 at 12:20amI once had a friend who pronounced the word crotch as "crouch." I corrected her but she insisted she was right and an argument started.
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#72re: 'I Judge You When You Use Poor Grammar' - NY Times
Posted: 11/1/07 at 12:24am
Nope, OS. Unless the stylebook has been amended in the last year or so, and I have an outdated edition, the AP does not follow that rule when it comes to possessives. Here is the entry. Jesus is even mentioned in it.
SINGULAR PROPER NAMES ENDING IN S: use only an apostrophe: Achilles’ heel, Agnes’ book, Ceres’ rites, Descartes’ theories, Dickens’ novels, Euripides’ dramas, Hercules’ labors, Jesus’ life, Jules’ seat, Kansas’ schools, Moses’ law, Socrates’ life, Tennessee Williams’ plays, Xerxes’ armies.
I know that there are many grammar authorities who don't agree with this. But the AP is pretty clear on its position on this.
Updated On: 11/1/07 at 12:24 AM
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#73re: 'I Judge You When You Use Poor Grammar' - NY Times
Posted: 11/1/07 at 12:28am
Calvin, make it no' be tru! I can't live in a world where my favorite romantic comedy's title is all wrong grammaticallitically.
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#74re: 'I Judge You When You Use Poor Grammar' - NY Times
Posted: 11/1/07 at 12:32am
"Irregardless"
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