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#76

Madonna BRITS performance goes horribly wrong

How long til she invokes that god-awful Marilyn quote, "If you can't handle me at my worst, keep giving me attention"...or whatever she says?
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#77

Madonna BRITS performance goes horribly wrong

Too bad she wasn't wearing her Life Alert necklace.

She could have broken a hip.
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#78

Madonna BRITS performance goes horribly wrong

It's quite funny to hear these themes over and over of "act your age". It's astounding. Madonna is an athlete-she is not your mother at 56. She is more fit now than when she was in her 20s, chubby and lip synching 'like a virgin.' Also, she has toned down some of her dancing. She has made adjustments.

It makes me sick to hear the granny, depends, life alert and broken hip jokes. Get a life, honest to God people. Live and let live. She's a trained dancer in the best shape of her life.

I don't hear any of you telling Chita to have a seat or wear sensible shoes. She still dances in heels.

If any of your asses fell on a sidewalk, I wonder if you could even muster getting up.

I'm truly over the ageist nonsense and that's exactly what it is.
"The sexual energy between the mother and son really concerns me!"-random woman behind me at Next to Normal "I want to meet him after and bang him!"-random woman who exposed her breasts at Rock of Ages, referring to James Carpinello
#79

Madonna BRITS performance goes horribly wrong

Too bad she wasn't wearing her Life Alert necklace.
She could have broken a hip.


How late were you up working on that one, TheatreDiva?


BettyBoy, I presume your comments are not directed at everyone in this thread, but rather those making tired "granny" jokes and those saying it's time for her to pack it in. I would agree that those remarks are ridiculous, but there is certainly a difference between that kind of callousness and between those of us who are longtime Madonna fans who want her to stay in the game, but to do so in a way that demonstrates pride and ownership of where she is in life. You know, rather than watching her desperately cling to a youth which is no longer there. There is a way to be sexy, powerful and confident without looking like you're desperately chasing the 20-somethings.

The problem is, there isn't really a model to do that as a pop singer. She has to be that model. And she's an anomaly. The average pop star career is shorter than the lifecycle of a butterfly. I mean, how many huge pop stars from the 80s - female AND male - are still working, let alone maintaining some level of relevance?


This is not just a question about ageism against female performers, but about expectations for pop singers. You don't hear people making "she should retire" comments about Stevie Nicks or Chrissie Hynde. Not because they haven't aged, but because while they certainly both cultivated a certain kind of imagery, their success was never as deeply tied to the visual representation of their work as it has been for Madonna. A visual representation that often relied upon her youth, beauty and physical fitness. I don't think anyone wants or expects Madonna to look, sound or move like she did 10, 20, 30 years ago. It just doesn't seem like she gets that herself.

Updated On: 2/26/15 at 09:36 PM

#80

Madonna BRITS performance goes horribly wrong

I for one have never said she should act her age. I said I am disappointed she didn't find a way to age that didn't involve loads of plastic surgery and copping the moves of 23 year old black male hip hop artists.

What if she hadn't gone to war with aging (a war everybody loses) but embraced it and created something new and beautiful.

And those shoes she fell off of are stupid for anybody at any age. Was that what feminism was for?
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#81

Madonna BRITS performance goes horribly wrong

"I said I am disappointed she didn't find a way to age that didn't involve loads of plastic surgery and copping the moves of 23 year old black male hip hop artists. "

That would imply that she had some natural talent to begin with to do something with.
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#83

Madonna BRITS performance goes horribly wrong

The only things that made me sick recently are the bullying of the Oscar winner as being gay and the bull**** launched at Madonna. My health is fine. Thank you.
"The sexual energy between the mother and son really concerns me!"-random woman behind me at Next to Normal "I want to meet him after and bang him!"-random woman who exposed her breasts at Rock of Ages, referring to James Carpinello
#84

Madonna BRITS performance goes horribly wrong

'I don't hear any of you telling Chita to have a seat or wear sensible shoes.'

Well...when they made that poor woman get on that goddamned slanted table in the revival of NINE, I was freaking right the f*ck out. That was ridiculous and she looked like she was afraid she was going to fall. So, in that moment, yes...Chita, take a seat and wear sensible shoes.
#85

Madonna BRITS performance goes horribly wrong

"Poor woman" implies she has no choice or no voice. Some entertainers will go balls out until they die. That's just how they roll. Chita is one of them.
"The sexual energy between the mother and son really concerns me!"-random woman behind me at Next to Normal "I want to meet him after and bang him!"-random woman who exposed her breasts at Rock of Ages, referring to James Carpinello
#86

Madonna BRITS performance goes horribly wrong

Oh, please. Of course she has her own agency to do whatever she likes. But I thought it was an uncomfortable moment that took me out of the show and worry about the actress, not the character. And if I were Leveaux, I'd never have asked her to do it. It was an unnecessary bit of staging. And if it was Ms. Rivera's idea, I'd have said, 'Or...we can do this,' and come up with something else.

I'm not one of those diva worshippers that would lap up any and all of Ms. Stritch's lyrical train wrecks. I did not enjoy watching Ms. Rivera having to be helped down from that table after the stage was flooded. Working around a performer's limitations to make a seamless show, as well as showing that performer off to their best advantage, is far more impressive than saying, 'Hey look! Chita's on a table!'

#87

Madonna BRITS performance goes horribly wrong

On a related note, Madonna told Jonathan Ross yesterday, "No more capes, cape fear is over."

So it's nice to see people still able to learn and modulate and not think they have to defy death to thrill a crowd. (Not that her problem with aging isn't also an attempt to defy death but neither Madonna nor Chita NEEDS to be doing "Life with Lucy" stunt work at this point.)
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#89

Madonna BRITS performance goes horribly wrong

I think the problem i have with comments telling her to act her age etc is that it has no merit, because how is somebody of 56 supposed to act? I saw so many people saying this after the Brits performance and was utterly confused. Was she wearing a skimpy outfit? no, was she 'desperately clinging to her youth? no. She was dancing sure, it was theatrical...of course, it's a dance song...fine, but where is the crime in that?

No shock factor exists in that performance, its simply an energetic performance by a woman who loves to dance, i don't get why that is something that seems desperate, this is Madonna, it's her thing, it's what her fans want her to be. If we went to see her concert and she stood behind a microphone stand for 2 hours and sung we would hate it, i'm sure some would say they wouldn't but lets be honest, they would. We like the spectacle, so does she. I really don't see what her age has to do with anything.

As for Namo even bringing in her shoes, are you kidding me? is that for real? So again a woman of 56 should not wear those kinda heels? its ridiculous, it's finding something to criticize her on for the sake of doing it. The same with 'oh she's doing the bull fighter theme again', so what, does that mean she is over and out of ideas because she is doing that again? (though from the opposite angle which i personally thought was a great contrast to Take a Bow), it's all just things to knock her.

The biggest problem i have is the ones who say she is too old, out of ideas, should change her ways etc are the who don't buy her records or go to the concerts, which makes the points even more null and void, she isn't trying to please you. Sure some of have wished (including me) that she would try some new things with her sound and step away from the dance music as much as we like it, well you know what, she has on this album. Many of the songs on the album are getting called some of her best work in decades, but the people who love to kick her like Namo have not commented at all on that, something you yourself said you wish she would do, be a songwriter.

Madonna could change her style, music and image, she could be in a pant suit sat with a guitar player doing acoustic ballads for the rest of her career but so many will still find problems (she looks old, look at her hands, oh she cant do the dancing anymore), she will never win in many peoples eyes. Personally it don't really bother me, i don't mind Namo hating on her or anybody else for that matter, she could sell 10 copies of her album i don't care. What bothers me is that the loudest voices who are demanding change time after time are the ones who have no vested interest in her career other than to see her fail, it's not productive for her and it certainly ain't productive for you.

And her shoes had nothing to with her fall, her age had nothing to do with her fall, the style of music etc, it was simple wardrobe error that could (and has) of happened to anyone, 56 or 15.
Namo i love u but we get it already....you don't like Madonna
#90

Madonna BRITS performance goes horribly wrong

If we went to see her concert and she stood behind a microphone stand for 2 hours and sung we would hate it, i'm sure some would say they wouldn't but lets be honest, they would.

You would say it was fine. That it wasn't your favorite, but that it was FINE. And the leaks that just came out of her next single are GREAT, "it's back to the dance floor and just fun, it's GREAT!".

she could sell 10 copies of her album i don't care.

But you'd be crowing about how the latest remix single is #1 on Billboard's Aleutian Islands Gay Dance Chart.


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Updated On: 2/27/15 at 08:46 PM

#91

Madonna BRITS performance goes horribly wrong

how is somebody of 56 supposed to act?

She can act any way she wants. No matter how much plastic surgery a person has, you can't fool mother nature. She looks her age. What's wrong with that? I'll tell you. No one is going to criticize an opera singer, ballad singer, country singer, etc. no matter how old they get. Madonna happens to be a pop star and in that genre, there are mostly teenagers and twenty somethings. That's who she's competing with. For that reason, she stands out and looks too old to be carrying on that way. This is what her critics are saying, and I am one. Her current fans are not saying this. Yes, I know she has lots of fans and is doing fine without the "haters." I"m just posting my opinion.

"No shock factor exists in that performance, its simply an energetic performance by a woman who loves to dance, i don't get why that is something that seems desperate,"

Walking the red carpet with your ass out is indeed desperate.

As for Namo even bringing in her shoes, are you kidding me?

I don't think she should be wearing those shoes either.. Again, mother nature. I don't care who you are, it's not as easy to do strenuous dancing at 56 the way you used to. I noticed she danced around a little tenuously in those shoes.



"Madonna could change her style, music and image, she could be in a pant suit sat with a guitar player doing acoustic ballads for the rest of her career but so many will still find problems (she looks old, look at her hands, oh she cant do the dancing anymore), she will never win in many peoples eyes. "

I'm not so sure the critics would say any of that. They might appreciate the change.



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#92

Madonna BRITS performance goes horribly wrong

s&d - I think you're conflating two things here: reaction to Madonna being yanked* off the stage at the Brits and overall reaction to the way she presents herself in 2015. Because this discussion is happening now, after the Brits incident, I can understand why you might conflate the two. But this discussion among fans has been happening for a couple of years now. And, I'm sorry, being a big Madonna fan and finding some of her recent choices unfortunate are not necessarily two mutually exclusive ideas. I think a lot of what you're reading here - and elsewhere - is not about how she should maybe consider adjusting her performances because she got yanked off stage at the Brits, but because of how stiff, uncomfortable she has seemed for a while - point in case - at the Grammys.

And I know this is the part where you tell me she always gets nervous at awards shows, but if you go back and watch her prior Grammy performances of, say, 'Music' or 'Hung Up' she is bold, confident and in command. The same goes for many of her VMA/EMA performances as well. She might have been nervous back then, too, but she channeled that nervous energy into pretty captivating performances. At this year's Grammys she seemed almost apologetic until the last 30-40 seconds of the performance. She looks painfully uncomfortable in her own skin (and, in Namo's point of view, shoes). I don't want the Madonna of decades ago back. I know how to let go. I just want her to be a strong, confident, 50-something woman on stage. If she truly owned where she was in life, she would probably be exuding confidence instead of looking meek and apologetic.


*BTW, we probably should be referring to this incident as Madonna being pulled or yanked off stage, not as Madonna "falling" off stage which does play into the old woman narrative.

Updated On: 2/27/15 at 09:49 PM

#94

Madonna BRITS performance goes horribly wrong

Wait. Is 'Ghost Town' really the next single? Ugh. It's such an insipid, generic song. When it comes to midtempo songs and ballads, Madonna's done some amazing ones over the years. Even "Masterpiece" and "Falling Free" from the last album had more soul than this dud. Just listening to it, you can easily imagine Katy Perry or Rihanna or Miley or [insert current pop artist] singing it. And that's precisely what's wrong with it. Nothing about it says "Madonna". If she's actually going to release a slower song for the second single, why not "Joan of Arc" which actually has some heart and isn't so tragically beige.
#96

Madonna BRITS performance goes horribly wrong

Well first of all thanks to Namo for telling me what I would say and think. Yet again you speak for others like you are the voice of truth when in fact most of what you say is simplistic, condescending and often ill though out. You also always manage to largely ignore the majority of the post someone puts about you as you know damn well they are right.

Jane, critics don't judge her performance and say she's too old to do that, in fact her performance even with the fall was deemed the best of the night. Critics call her too old for simply having the nerve to be a 56 year old woman in the pop/dance industry, it's a young persons game so she should move on, that's ridiculous. When they review her live performances they always seem to praise them, however whenever she does something they disagree with the wolves cry 'she is too old'. It's the twitter universe, normally older women or young gay men who says she is too old to be dancing around like that. She is dancing her ass off and putting on a show because that's who she is, and since she pretty much invented the template for a powerful female pop star then I'm not sure where this rule comes from that at 56 she should stop doing what it is she loves doing. I guess we should tell anyone theatrical who is over 50 and wanting to perform anything but a lovely ballad in an age appropriate outfit to sit down, including Chita for example. I wonder if the same would have been said about Michael Jackson? I doubt it.

As for showing her ass on the red carpet Jane I was talking about her Brit performance, the ass thing on the Grammy red carpet we could have done without, but that's her, what harm is it really doing? And sorry but you are living in a happy clappy universe if you don't think the critics would still knock her appearance even if she just sat there and sung. She can't go to the gym or the shop in a track suit without getting a full article in the papers that mention and criticise her age.

Horsetears, I ain't confused about anything, I was addressing both points. As a Madonna fan (or fan of anybody) we always want artists to change things up and try new things. Mine just doesn't involve telling her to act her age as I think it's a mute point.
You mention the other awards performances but there is a huge difference. The Grammys was the first time she performed in 2 and a half years, anyone can surely see a performers nerves. She looks far more confident on the Brits, even after the fall. Also the great vogue performance on the VMAs she didn't sing live, the Music performance may have been fun but she sounded pretty bad. So we criticise and demand she sounds better and sings live all the time, so the dancing is toned back so she can do that and she's clearly concentrating on her singing and we criticise and say she looks uncomfortable or can't do it anymore. We tell her not to wear that skimpy Grammy outfit (which personally I thought she looked great) so she's covered up for the Brits but then it gets to stupid levels where some take aim at something as stupid as her shoes. She will never win in the eyes of everybody because everybody wants something different from her. So what should she do, what can she do that will satisfy everybody? Nothing, that answer simply does not exist. LFL is her best debut single from one of her albums in ages and the critics love it, but it doesn't sell as well so she's over, for a media obsessed with her age they never mention it when it comes to the fact it's almost impossible for an older FEMALE artist to gain traction on the singles charts. The list goes on and on.

As for Ghosttown I think it's a great song and that seems to be one that fans and critics are citing as one of the best as well, so maybe this era for Madonna just ain't for you, like the American Life era just wasn't for me (though in retrospect it's a strong album), again we all want something different from her, she will never satisfy the world.

Everybody always has an opinion on what she should be, how she should act etc, nobody is right and nobody is wrong as it's opinion so we could go round and round. I like hearing from people like HT since he's a fan, he has a vested interest, but when people like Namo or Namo's shadow just talk for the sake of talking it gets real dull real quick because a conversation or debate can't happen because the positive will be ignored and the negative repeated over and over. The silly digs and the attempts at cruel humour by Namo have got as repetitive and eye rolling as what he claims Madonna's career is. Oh the irony

She has just recorded what most fans and critics are saying is her most intresting and unique albums in years, also probably one of her most 'mature' (yes a couple of clunkers are on there but hey that's Madonna) but where are all these peoples comments who keep telling her to change things up and record better stuff etc in threads about that? They ain't there because they don't buy the album, plus they would rather stay quiet than ever compliment her for the achievements she's making today. I find that odd. I can't stand Lady Gaga but I have to admit she knocked it out of the park on the Oscars and quite liked her duets with Tony Bennet, I will always give people the credit when I enjoy something no matter what I think about the person, I find it odd and little creepy when people seem to live to criticise. It just ain't healthy.




Namo i love u but we get it already....you don't like Madonna

Updated On: 2/28/15 at 08:03 AM

#97

Madonna BRITS performance goes horribly wrong

song and dance, I respect your opinion. We must respect everyone's opinions although you don't see that very often on here.

As I said, Madonna has tons of fans and she's doing just fine. I'm a very visually oriented and sensitive person. Perhaps I can't articulate just what it is that looks wrong about her act, but i wouldn't compare her cavorting,( and I say cavorting because that's how it looks now), with someone like Chita in a musical where she's playing a character who's age appropriate. I think there's a difference between that and a woman who is 56 competing in a world of teenagers.

This is how I see it.
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#98

Madonna BRITS performance goes horribly wrong

I totalky get that Jane but the Madonna we see on stage is a character she's playing, she's theatrical and that's what's kept her her on top. Pop music is a young persons game because the radio and society has made it that way, that's a failure of ignorance rather than anything else. She will never do what society wants her to do, she never has done so I never understand why after 30 years anybody thinks she is going to start now. I didn't see her performance as cavorting at all, it was a performance by a woman who knows how to put on a show. She looked great and sounded great so I don't really know why age comes in to it at all. We want her to put on a show. The Brits were totally dull till she took took to the stage, she was the one everybody wanted to see, she was the story before the fall. The critics hated the Brits put praised her performance (despite the fall) for injecting some life in to the night. So she delivers what people want, will that satisfy everyone? No, she never has. It's been 30 years, the ones who like her faults an all like her, the ones who don't don't.
Namo i love u but we get it already....you don't like Madonna
#99

Madonna BRITS performance goes horribly wrong

I've been a Madonna fan since she came on the scene here, in the early 80's. I loved her not only because I knew her personally from being a close friend of her brother, but she blew me away with her performances. I followed her closely for at least 11 years while I was with her brother, and learned a lot about her work ethic. She is someone to be greatly admired for that. I sat with her at an award ceremony and at parties and dinners in her home. I admired her socially also.

So I'm not a hater in any sense of the word. For me to have a problem with her is saying something. Of course I still admire her work ethic. I cannot deny that the visual of her performing now affects me viscerally and that's when the intellect fails.
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#100

Madonna BRITS performance goes horribly wrong

Oh Jane i know you ain't a hater, ive known that for ages. You know i have nothing but love for you.
Namo i love u but we get it already....you don't like Madonna

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