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Sweeney Todd unliked like wicked?!
Kristin
Understudy Joined: 12/17/04
#25re: Sweeney Todd unliked like wicked?!
Posted: 3/28/05 at 4:52pmGreat view of the cat fight... The true reason I keep posting on this thread.
Though it may not be anyone's birthday,
And though it's far from the first of the year,
I know that this very minute has history in it, we're here!
Pinkgurl3166
Understudy Joined: 12/24/04
#26re: Sweeney Todd unliked like wicked?!
Posted: 3/28/05 at 4:52pmHehe I see your point. To be quite honest it creeps me out too. Im sure I can overcome that though and enjoy it. Thanks!
#27re: Sweeney Todd unliked like wicked?!
Posted: 3/28/05 at 4:53pm
Well, you can say you don't like it and I'd be fine with that. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions.
But I, for the life fo me, cannot figure out what in the world you could find that is "obnoxious" about the score.
"One no longer loves one's insight enough once one communicates it."
The opposite of creation isn't war, it's stagnation.
The opposite of creation isn't war, it's stagnation.
Feodor Sverdlov
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/21/04
#28re: Sweeney Todd unliked like wicked?!
Posted: 3/28/05 at 4:55pmIt's ugly-sounding to me. It rambles on and on, and it isn't melodic. Just obnoxious.
scooter3843
#30re: Sweeney Todd unliked like wicked?!
Posted: 3/28/05 at 4:58pm
Sigh. I can't handle the old "It isn't melodic" stuff.
I seriously don't get that argument. I, personally, find a lot of Sondheim's songs more melodic than even Herman. I guess it's all relative.
"One no longer loves one's insight enough once one communicates it."
The opposite of creation isn't war, it's stagnation.
The opposite of creation isn't war, it's stagnation.
Feodor Sverdlov
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/21/04
#31re: Sweeney Todd unliked like wicked?!
Posted: 3/28/05 at 5:01pm
Well, is annoying a better word? The score annoys me. I don't like hearing it. That's generally how I feel about things that I find obnoxious. At least I stayed the two-times I saw it (I do love Angela Lansbury and I had friend in it). My wife walked-out, that how much she hated it; and her former boyfriend was in the show!
scooter3843
Updated On: 3/28/05 at 05:01 PM
#32Are You Tough Enough for Sweeney Todd?
Posted: 3/28/05 at 5:02pm
Pinky--I don't think you should buy the CD. Most of Sondheim is an acquired taste, this show more than some others. You obviously haven't acquired enough of it yet to appreciate a show with this tough and uncompromisingly cynical a worldview. Read this lyric out loud and decide for yourself if you're strong enough to take Sweeney Todd:
There's a hole in the world
Like a great black pit,
And it's filled with people
Who are filled with SH*T,
And the vermin of the world
Inhabit IT--
BUT NOT FOR LONG!
They ALL deserve to die!
Tell you why, Mrs. Lovett,
Tell you why...
Because in all of the whole human race, Mrs. Lovett,
There are two kinds of men--and only two:
There's the one staying put
In his proper place,
And the one with his foot
In the other one's face.
#33Are You Tough Enough for Sweeney Todd?
Posted: 3/28/05 at 5:06pm
So anything non-melodic is "obnoxious"? If what you mean by "not melodic" is "does not end phrases with an perfect authentic V-I cadence and/or stay in the tonic key and/or its relative minor throughout", then yes, I suppose the score is non-melodic. However, if one applies the *DEFINITION* of melodic, that is, having melody, and by melody, one means a rhythmically organized sequence of single tones so related to one another as to make up a particular phrase or idea (which, at last check, is the exact definition OF a melody), then I'm going to have to say that his music is ALL melodic, because, complex though the relationships may be, the individual pitches of his vocal lines are all *very* related to one another, and they CERTAINLY convey an idea. I don't find that obnoxious at all, I find it artistic and creative. Obnoxious could perhaps be better applied to the endlessly predictable, "melodic" score of Beauty and the Beast or Aida or Phantom of the Opera. Pretty, yes, but substantial? Hardly. I like a little *music* in my music...
Then again, maybe I'm just a big, bitchy music geek and nobody else cares about this stuff.
Suzanne: I never use catalogs. I'd rather go in the store and see all the salespeople groveling and sucking up to you.
Julia: Pardon me, I never knew they were so solicitous at the K-Mart.
Updated On: 3/28/05 at 05:06 PM
Feodor Sverdlov
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/21/04
#34Are You Tough Enough for Sweeney Todd?
Posted: 3/28/05 at 5:07pmAnd, Priest, there are many things that I love that others don't; and I don't quite get why. Does it really matter? I was obsessed with the soundtrack to A CHRISTMAS CAROL: THE MUSICAL, which most people hated. Most. That doesn't make me like it any less. At least most people seem to like SWEENEY TODD.
scooter3843
#35Are You Tough Enough for Sweeney Todd?
Posted: 3/28/05 at 5:08pm
"Does it really matter?"
Like I said, You have every right in the world to dislike it.
Just, I find 'obnoxious' such a harsh word.
"One no longer loves one's insight enough once one communicates it."
The opposite of creation isn't war, it's stagnation.
The opposite of creation isn't war, it's stagnation.
#36re: Sweeney Todd unliked like wicked?!
Posted: 3/28/05 at 5:09pm
Not melodic?
Johanna
Green Finch and Linnet Bird
Not while I am around...
"Sir K, the Viscount of Uppity-shire...." -- kissmycookie
#37re: Sweeney Todd unliked like wicked?!
Posted: 3/28/05 at 5:09pm*snaps* Work!
Suzanne: I never use catalogs. I'd rather go in the store and see all the salespeople groveling and sucking up to you.
Julia: Pardon me, I never knew they were so solicitous at the K-Mart.
#38Are You Tough Enough for Sweeney Todd?
Posted: 3/28/05 at 5:09pmthis show is simply brilliant... i could listen to it 24/7 ...
Pinkgurl3166
Understudy Joined: 12/24/04
#39Are You Tough Enough for Sweeney Todd?
Posted: 3/28/05 at 5:09pmthank you for considering that PalJoey, from reading that over it is very..dark. I'll have to think about it. thanks!
Kristin
Understudy Joined: 12/17/04
#40Are You Tough Enough for Sweeney Todd?
Posted: 3/28/05 at 5:17pmPinkgurl, you might consider looking at your library for a copy, or borrrowing it from someone before investing in it.
Though it may not be anyone's birthday,
And though it's far from the first of the year,
I know that this very minute has history in it, we're here!
BT
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/16/04
#41Are You Tough Enough for Sweeney Todd?
Posted: 3/28/05 at 5:22pmPeople tend not to be fence sitters about Sondheim - in my experience you either love it or you hate it. It is best to find out which you are before you start shelling out the dough for the CDs. As for dark, it is a musical about a man that slits the throats of his shaving customers and a woman cooks them into pies. Hairspray this ain't! I think it is an amazing musical (though the whistle hurts my ears, as does Rapunzel's annoying scream in Into the Woods) and it is worth purchase without a doubt.
I sing for myself. I sing when I want, whenever I want to, just for me. I sing for my own pleasure. Do you understand that?
kissmycookie
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/21/04
#43Are You Tough Enough for Sweeney Todd?
Posted: 3/28/05 at 5:29pmHave you seen the PBS airing of the production with George Hearn and Angela Lansbury? Rent it if you can. Then make a decision on whether you want the recording....
Pinkgurl3166
Understudy Joined: 12/24/04
#44Are You Tough Enough for Sweeney Todd?
Posted: 3/28/05 at 5:29pmWell I adore "company" and "into the woods" so I do love Sondheim. I remembered I have a friend who might have this CD so I will talk to him and see if I can borrow it. Thanks for everything guys :)
BT
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/16/04
#45Are You Tough Enough for Sweeney Todd?
Posted: 3/28/05 at 5:30pmI apologize for suggesting Idina should place Mrs. Lovett - the role should totally go to Chenoweth.
I sing for myself. I sing when I want, whenever I want to, just for me. I sing for my own pleasure. Do you understand that?
#46Are You Tough Enough for Sweeney Todd?
Posted: 3/28/05 at 5:31pmNow Littlefish -- it's your turn..BREATH...COUNT TO 10...remind BT YOU won the damn Tony!
"Sir K, the Viscount of Uppity-shire...." -- kissmycookie
Pinkgurl3166
Understudy Joined: 12/24/04
#48Are You Tough Enough for Sweeney Todd?
Posted: 3/28/05 at 5:34pm
Jailyard, for your first comment I'm going to...do...something to you....
PS it's not for the children's ears...
brdlwyr
Broadway Legend Joined: 1/14/05
#49Are You Tough Enough for Sweeney Todd?
Posted: 3/28/05 at 5:35pm
Anyone else listen to Sweeney during the life of this thread as I have?
Some crazy bell rings when you post 1000 - scarier than the whistle!!!!!
Updated On: 3/28/05 at 05:35 PM
#50Are You Tough Enough for Sweeney Todd?
Posted: 3/28/05 at 5:40pmI am right now!
"Sir K, the Viscount of Uppity-shire...." -- kissmycookie
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