The OFFICIAL 2012 Oscar nominations thread... — Page 3

Also, I still can't believe this is Oldman's first career nomination. He's done so much fine work in a thirty-year career. Better late than never, but still, a head-scratcher.

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Has any reason been given as to why there are only two songs nominated? Is it a rules thing? I definitely would have thought "Living Proof" from THE HELP, "Lay Your Head Down" from ALBERT NOBBS, and Madonna's song from W/E would have been nominated.

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That rule actually grew out of a backlash that studios were tacking on songs almost as a marketing tool at the end of a film, during the credits. It had nothing to do with the actual movie and felt completely disconnected from the film itself. And there were a lot of nominations in recent years (apparently) that caused this internal complaint from Academy members.

So they changed the rule. Originally, a few years ago, the song had to appear in the film itself. It couldn't just roll over the credits, even in the first cue position. They have changed it a bit to allow a first cue during the roll, but not a cue after that. Madonna's song was a second cue in the credit roll. Still, she did write the song specifically for the film and with the film in mind. It was last-minute, but that shouldn't matter. Actually many songs (and most film music) is written right up to the last possible moment before screenings and sometimes after screenings have already started.

I think they should change the rule again. For example, if a song's melody is used anywhere in the underscoring, introducing it, it should be eligible automatically (assuming it's indeed original), regardless of where it ultimately plays in the film, even during the credit crawl and even three songs in. It shouldn't matter. But I do agree that if it's a tacked-on song, played only in the credits, existing nowhere else in the film, it's not really part of the movie per se.

It's a strange category anyway. It made more sense when songs were nearly always integrated in the body of a film. This rule makes it (almost) mandatory now.

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Updated On: 1/24/12 at 11:30 AM

I do find it strange that Madonna, the Weinsteins, ANYBODY didn't realize this when placing the song.

I can't remember the last time the GG winning song was even nominated in the Oscar category.

Ah, yes. I remember now. Thanks for the refresher. :)

Robbie, I didn't think Plummer was any better than Euan McGreggor, who has yet to receive any Oscar love. Not even a nomination.

They are good performances, no question about it with me.

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Isn't Mary J. Blige's song the first cue over the credits?

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Yes, it is.

So did they change the rule again or not? The "no songs that play only over credits" rule is at least 5 to 7 years old now. I figured they had changed it again to allow first cue songs, since it was recently mentioned regarding the Madonna song's ineligibility (being a second cue).

So did the Blige song just not make the cut, or was it ineligible, meaning this is the same rule that's been in place for several years already?


"We don't need no stinking second cues!"

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Updated On: 1/24/12 at 12:09 PM

I just realized Tilda wasn't nominated. How dare they!

I have to say (and I know I'm in the minority on this one), but I thought SHAME was ridiculous. Just absurd. Not only did I not recognize a single, identifiable real human being in the film, but I found some of it just laughable. That New York, New York moment was absolutely unbearable. The one sequence I thought that worked was the whole gay sex club/threesome with two girls moment. And only cause it was actually kind of hot and beautiful...which I think was the EXACT opposite reaction that the filmmaker wanted me to have. The guy who played the boss? One of the worst screen performances I've ever seen. For my consideration? Considered. And no thanks.

Robbie, I agree 120% with your thoughts on SHAME.

I'm disappointed that Swinton wasn't nominated. I'd say it was because her film lacked visibility, but both Glenn Close and Janet McTeer managed to pull out Oscar nominations, and their film (like KEVIN) only played a one-week qualifier run. As I said in another thread, I wasn't a fan of ...KEVIN overall, but Swinton's performance was tremendous.

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Very sad that Shailene Woodley was left out of the Supporting Actress race. She, IMHO, should be winning that award.

Although I knew it wasn't going to happen, Charlize Theron should also be on the Best Actress list. I'd vote for her, most likely. And I've seen all the performances nominated. She's tremendous.

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