#26
Posted: 9/10/04 at 2:21pm
I think we covered that. Kerry isn't pro-gay marriage, but he isn't for enshrining it in the Constitution either...
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#27
Posted: 9/10/04 at 2:24pm
Well I don't think you covered it well enough. If you are all Kerry supporter's, what do you expect from him on this issue once he is in office? Do you think it will change? Just because it might not be illegal doesn't mean it will be allowed.
#28
Posted: 9/10/04 at 3:05pm
We covered it in this very thread! Reread (or actually read this time) page one.
and read this:
http://www.johnkerry.com/communities/lgbt/equalrights.html
I don't expect any politician to walk in and make something automatically legal. That is ridiculous if anyone ever thought that. There is a process. And the point is that we want a politician who will allow that process to continue--not fight it as Bush has.
and read this:
http://www.johnkerry.com/communities/lgbt/equalrights.html
I don't expect any politician to walk in and make something automatically legal. That is ridiculous if anyone ever thought that. There is a process. And the point is that we want a politician who will allow that process to continue--not fight it as Bush has.
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#29
Posted: 9/10/04 at 3:12pm
20 policy reasons to vote Kerry.
http://www.ontheissues.org/John_Kerry_VoteMatch.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/John_Kerry_VoteMatch.htm
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#30
Posted: 9/10/04 at 3:21pm
Putting aside the gay marriage argument:
Reading the original post, I was appalled at what was said about Bush's "contribution" to the environment. Isn't what they've written an outright lie? There hasn't been a US president in years who has caused such irreparable damage to environmentalism and the movement towards pollution reduction. If there has even been a small improvement to the environmental situation in the US and the world (and the situation has been VERY bleak), such advances have been made IN SPITE OF Bush.
Reading the original post, I was appalled at what was said about Bush's "contribution" to the environment. Isn't what they've written an outright lie? There hasn't been a US president in years who has caused such irreparable damage to environmentalism and the movement towards pollution reduction. If there has even been a small improvement to the environmental situation in the US and the world (and the situation has been VERY bleak), such advances have been made IN SPITE OF Bush.
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#31
Posted: 9/10/04 at 3:23pm
An amendment to the Constitution is a very difficult thing to get done. Bush can't do it alone and it won't happen because it requires Senate & House voting as well as state voting.
Kerry has changed his mind on everything he's ever said, including running for President. Let's not forget that he didn't even want to allow his name to be put up until the Convention and he wanted them to beg him to run (doesn't this sound like Evita?).
For those of you who call Bush stupid, I'd like to point out that he graduated from both Yale and Harvard Business School. He may not be the best public speaker, but he is far from stupid.
Kerry has changed his mind on everything he's ever said, including running for President. Let's not forget that he didn't even want to allow his name to be put up until the Convention and he wanted them to beg him to run (doesn't this sound like Evita?).
For those of you who call Bush stupid, I'd like to point out that he graduated from both Yale and Harvard Business School. He may not be the best public speaker, but he is far from stupid.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
#32
Posted: 9/10/04 at 3:26pm
He's a C student.
And, I think you need to provide documentation for your claims about Kerry there--sounds like BS to me.
And, it doesn't matter one way or another if no one thought the Amendment would pass. It's the POINT. It's all the things that have been done to stop gay marriage by Republicans. But, if believing that because it would not pass is enough to go ahead and vote for him, you go ahead. I choose not to engage in self-loathing, self-homophobic cognitive dissonance.
And, I think you need to provide documentation for your claims about Kerry there--sounds like BS to me.
And, it doesn't matter one way or another if no one thought the Amendment would pass. It's the POINT. It's all the things that have been done to stop gay marriage by Republicans. But, if believing that because it would not pass is enough to go ahead and vote for him, you go ahead. I choose not to engage in self-loathing, self-homophobic cognitive dissonance.
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#34
Posted: 9/10/04 at 3:35pm
One of the scary things about Kerry:
Kerry believes we should work with our European allies to fight the war on terrorism. If we wait around for our allies to join us, there won't be a USA.
Kerry believes we should work with our European allies to fight the war on terrorism. If we wait around for our allies to join us, there won't be a USA.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
Updated On: 9/10/04 at 03:35 PM
#35
Posted: 9/10/04 at 3:35pm
Bush is ahead in all of the polls right now. Seems Kerry is dropping by the minute. In my opinion issues like terrorism, the war, the economy and healthcare are much more important things to be concerned about in this election. There is no way Bush will make you getting married illegal even in the next 4 years. To me the entire issue seems to be about name calling. Someone who is gay obviously wants to get married, so they will argue with anyone who has an opposing view. If a person doesn't care either way they are called a bigot. The whole thing has gotten out of hand and is turning from classy to trashy.
#36
Posted: 9/10/04 at 3:38pm
If you are against gay marriage, you are a bigot. I don't care if you like it.
I'm not worried about the war on terror. Electing Kerry isn't going to lessen anything about it. And Kerry is definitely going to be a better President on every issue.
Not every poll has Kerry down, my dear. And, just watch and see where things head. Kerry is still ahead in so many ways.
Gotham--you live in fear and lies.
WCA--right back at ya
I'm not worried about the war on terror. Electing Kerry isn't going to lessen anything about it. And Kerry is definitely going to be a better President on every issue.
Not every poll has Kerry down, my dear. And, just watch and see where things head. Kerry is still ahead in so many ways.
Gotham--you live in fear and lies.
WCA--right back at ya
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#37
Posted: 9/10/04 at 3:40pm
"In my opinion issues like terrorism, the war, the economy and healthcare are much more important things to be concerned about in this election."
Like many of us are saying, all the more reason to vote for Kerry.
"If a person doesn't care either way they are called a bigot."
Don't understand that logic. If somebody doesn't care, it a non-issue.
OK...Unique...What is you opinion about Gay Marriage?
Like many of us are saying, all the more reason to vote for Kerry.
"If a person doesn't care either way they are called a bigot."
Don't understand that logic. If somebody doesn't care, it a non-issue.
OK...Unique...What is you opinion about Gay Marriage?
#38
Posted: 9/10/04 at 3:41pm
Isn't calling someone with a opposing view a bigot the same as a straight person calling you a fag? I don't share my view's on gay marriage on this board for exactly those reasons.
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#39
Posted: 9/10/04 at 3:43pm
But what is your opinion about Gay Marriage?
#40
Posted: 9/10/04 at 3:43pm
Yes...those issues are important.
Terrorism: Why should I feel safe when the biggest security breach this nation has ever known happened under Bush's vactioning watch?
The War: In my opinion, it's being handled terribly. There was no reason to go to war, and now, there are major pockets of Iraq which are controlled by the enemy.
The Economy: That's some big turnaround goin' on! Whooo!
Healthcare: Seriously? What do you think Bush is going to do.
Fact is...I don't know what Kerry will do. None of us do. But I know what Bush has done...and that is the reason I cannot vote for him.
Oh...that...and the fact that he's a bigot.
I mean...I do understand that it won't be easy getting an Amendment pass, but, fact is...he wants to give it the good ole college try.
Of course, looking at his college record, I guess we got nuthin' to be concerned about.
Terrorism: Why should I feel safe when the biggest security breach this nation has ever known happened under Bush's vactioning watch?
The War: In my opinion, it's being handled terribly. There was no reason to go to war, and now, there are major pockets of Iraq which are controlled by the enemy.
The Economy: That's some big turnaround goin' on! Whooo!
Healthcare: Seriously? What do you think Bush is going to do.
Fact is...I don't know what Kerry will do. None of us do. But I know what Bush has done...and that is the reason I cannot vote for him.
Oh...that...and the fact that he's a bigot.
I mean...I do understand that it won't be easy getting an Amendment pass, but, fact is...he wants to give it the good ole college try.
Of course, looking at his college record, I guess we got nuthin' to be concerned about.
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#41
Posted: 9/10/04 at 3:43pm
Nope. I equivocate it to if someone is against interracial marriage, they are a bigot. If someone is for slavery or segregation, they are a bigot. It's all about bigotry and civil rights.
Sorry that you see my equal rights in this country as merely an opposing view--not an inherent right.
And, your fag example is equal to the four letter word I call you anytime you post.
Sorry that you see my equal rights in this country as merely an opposing view--not an inherent right.
And, your fag example is equal to the four letter word I call you anytime you post.
#42
Posted: 9/10/04 at 3:46pm
There was no reason to go to war
The World Trade Center on 9/11 is one very good reason to go to war.
The World Trade Center on 9/11 is one very good reason to go to war.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
#43
Posted: 9/10/04 at 3:47pm
Yes, gotham--against Al Queada. Against the Taliban. Against Osama.
#44
Posted: 9/10/04 at 3:47pm
WITH IRAQ?????
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#45
Posted: 9/10/04 at 3:48pm
W got into Yale because he has legacy at Yale. His father went to Yale, and I believe his grandfather went to Yale. Not to mention, his grandfather having been senator from CT didn't hurt either.
As to the issue of "flip flopping" I believe W has done his share. He didn't want to form a commission to study 9/11, he did form one. He didn't want a single director of intelligence, he's willing to consider one.
Kerry didn't want to accept the nomination (VERY DIFFERENT from not wanting to run) so that he can continue to raise money (as a candidate, you start accepting federal funding when you accept a nomination) on par with W, who with the GOP planned their convention much later than the Democrats to be able to raise more funding (and exploit 9/11).
As to the issue of "flip flopping" I believe W has done his share. He didn't want to form a commission to study 9/11, he did form one. He didn't want a single director of intelligence, he's willing to consider one.
Kerry didn't want to accept the nomination (VERY DIFFERENT from not wanting to run) so that he can continue to raise money (as a candidate, you start accepting federal funding when you accept a nomination) on par with W, who with the GOP planned their convention much later than the Democrats to be able to raise more funding (and exploit 9/11).
#46
Posted: 9/10/04 at 3:48pm
JRB
I thought as a bunch of mature people you would see the justice in debuting both sides of each issue. I guess you cannot see the light in it besides turning it into a name calling arguement. What more should I expect around here....
Re read my posts. I never once said if I am for or against Kerry or Bush or if I am for or against gay marriage. Maybe you should be futher informed before you jump to attack when I may be on you're side about these things.
I thought as a bunch of mature people you would see the justice in debuting both sides of each issue. I guess you cannot see the light in it besides turning it into a name calling arguement. What more should I expect around here....
Re read my posts. I never once said if I am for or against Kerry or Bush or if I am for or against gay marriage. Maybe you should be futher informed before you jump to attack when I may be on you're side about these things.
#47
Posted: 9/10/04 at 3:48pm
With a country that harbored and assisted in training terrorists? Like Afghanistan? You're right...it's a pretty f*cking great reason.
Tell me why we went to war with Iraq, though.
Tell me why we went to war with Iraq, though.
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#48
Posted: 9/10/04 at 3:48pm
someone needs to read up on what defines a "just war".
poli sci 101.
poli sci 101.
But I won't live alone in a house of regret.
#49
Posted: 9/10/04 at 3:50pm
I was offering my opinion on the issue. I was not referring directly to you.
I guess you suffer from guilty concious.
I guess you suffer from guilty concious.
#50
Posted: 9/10/04 at 3:50pm
Oh Renee...we don't need your opinions on Bush, Kerry or Gay Marriage.
We already have your thoughts on the Puerto Rican Parade-goers and trannies on the subways.
Fun stuff, too!
We already have your thoughts on the Puerto Rican Parade-goers and trannies on the subways.
Fun stuff, too!
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