clinton vs. sanders your vote? — Page 141

Oh for heaven's sake, it will be nothing more than political spectacle, with people tuning in to see who is the first one to blow their top. Trump is an idiot savant when it comes to finding people's triggers. What you'll have is a man who got into the race to focus on issues and who asserted he was above all the political shenanigans being dragged into the worst display in modern political history. His fans need to take a step back and realize this is all to his ultimate disrespect.

Not really. I think its a great idea. Countdown to the Baroness of Blood flip-flopping on a California debate in 5...4...3...2...

The coverage may be damning, but the actual report really isn't. Morning Joe has no credibility whatsoever; they've been bolstering Trump for a year now. When their panel of political experts includes Donny Deutsch, are you really going to listen to them?

I don't think people give a damn about the report, but it does inevitably underline the fact that voters really don't trust Clinton.

Forget it Borstal, these are not reasonable times. There are hyperventilating Clintonites, who keep repeating their mantra over and over again. Forget everything you've heard or read about Clinton, she has 3 million more votes, so any inclination you have that she may be unpopular is nonsense. It dosen't exist, a myth.

And for some mystifying reason she has the black vote.

I was rereading this thread a little. It seems obvious no convictions have been changed. Bernie should withdraw. We lost, deal.

SF, pull it together, man. This isn't last call at the Rusty Anchor. I have a feeling that Bernie's going to surprise a lot of people and wind his campaign down in late June with a very optimistic note for the future of progressive politics in this country.



I don't know if this got posted back in April, but I figured a few of you might enjoy reading it, too. Whenever some of my diehard Bernie friends ask why progressives should support Hillary (other than her being the first female POTUS and her being the only alternative to Trump), I've been posting this piece. I had some reservations about Hillary, too, but I'm with her now.



"A Progressive Case for Clinton
I am a progressive, I like Hillary Clinton and I do not feel remotely conflicted about that.
by Sady Doyle | InTheTimes.com | April 6, 2016

In In These Times' Hillary vs. Bernie roundtable last July—oh, what a faraway, innocent time July was—I was aware that I was making nice rather than making my case. My reticence was due to a fear that I voiced at the end of the conversation: that “Sanders vs. Clinton will become ugly, and we’re going to get to the finish line unable to get behind the nominee, and then I am going to wake up one day and Ted Cruz will be president.”

Now, the ugliness has arrived. So here comes my full-throated case for Hillary Clinton for president of the United States.

When I hear claims about Hillary Clinton, the money-grubbing shill for Wall Street who thinks just like a Republican, I don’t recognize the woman who once snapped at her husband for not fighting hard enough for universal healthcare, telling him, “You weren’t elected to do Wall Street economics.”

READ FULL PIECE HERE."

Updated On: 5/27/16 at 08:44 PM

qol - I wasn't suggesting that one random blog post was an answer to all of the criticisms Hillary faces. It was certainly not comprehensive nor all inclusive. I just thought it was a good starting point for those who are starting to ask that question: "why should I, as a progressive, support Hillary?"

mb - think you missed my prior post. I've seen a lot of folks recently pose that question with this qualifier:



"Tell me why, as a progressive, I should support Hillary, aside from the fact that she's not Trump and that she'd be the first female POTUS."



I thought that blog post did a nice job of starting that conversation. That's all.

Yes! I can't wait to see Warren's full rhetorical power unleashed in the general.



BTW, I wonder if Debbie WS's support of predatory payday lending practices will cause Warren to follow Sanders' suit and endorse Tim Canova in Florida.

With respect to Canova versus DWS, that's an uphill battle. I believe Sanders only got 31% of the vote in her district. And I don't know if Warren is going to get into the middle of this fight. She has stayed out of it so far. I think Dem resources are better used to unseat Republicans rather than ousting Dems who don't pass a purity test, or offend Sanders. Republicans call that "Cantoring," so will Dems call it "Wasserman-Schultzing"?

Updated On: 5/28/16 at 06:26 AM

Sanders really screwed over some longstanding leaders of the HIV-activist community, finally meeting with them after postponing several times, then issuing a press release claiming they were supporting a measure he;'s behind, despite their reservations about it,

Then, when they objected, the Sanders campaign resorted to character assassination.