clinton vs. sanders your vote? — Page 139

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Updated On: 5/19/16 at 10:29 PM

Forget it qolbinau, borstal, this is PJ's fantasy land where nobody cares about speeches, e-mails, etc..., and all the voters love her.

I bet these people "care" about the speeches.



ROLLING STONE: Pro-Bernie Trolls on Why They Harassed Nevada's Democratic Chair: Here's what several men had to say for themselves after threatening Roberta Lange and calling her a "b-tch"

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/pro-bernie-trolls-on-why-they-harassed-nevadas-democratic-chair-20160518

Updated On: 5/20/16 at 09:46 AM

And here:



https://johnlaurits.com/2016/05/15/what-happened-at-the-nevada-democratic-state-convention/

Only the Sanders camp cares about the speeches, which everyone knows won't contain anything scandalous, but will contain embarrassing compliments to the people she's addressing. Attendees have already characterized them as such. Perhaps she'll release them after Bernie concedes, because the majority of the country won't find that problematic.

But corporate donations and speeches is not fertile ground for attacks from Trump. He not only gave similar speeches, but he just reneged on his promise to self-finance, and now he is taking in big PAC donations.

The longer he stays in, the more he hurts the progressive cause.

How can Hillary forces "swipe" a state she won by 5%?

What are you doing reading The Washington Times? It's a right-wing organ.

The minute Hillary said she was suspending her campaign, I was 100% for Obama--and so was she!

I expect nothing less from Bernie and his supporters.

On Face the Nation this morning, they showed a statistic that at this same time in the 2008 campaign, 60% of Clinton supporters said they would vote for Obama, whereas this campaign, 73% of Sanders supporters say they will vote for Clinton. Social media is simply giving the remainder a louder voice than their numbers deserve.

In 2008, I was outspokenly pro-Clinton I saw Obama as akin to Jimmy Carter as someone riding a popular wave but who would then struggle to navigate the political waters in Washington. (aka Sanders this year.) However, I subsequently canvassed for Obama, and in that capacity, was able to talk with registered Dems who said they weren't going to support Obama. A good number of those people were racially motivated, as a good number this campaign as driven by either overt and implicit bias against a female candidate. I can't say for sure, but I did feel at the time that hearing from a Clinton supporter how it was a no-brainer that we had to elect Obama made some kind of difference.

theaterdrew said: "On Face the Nation this morning, they showed a statistic that at this same time in the 2008 campaign, 60% of Clinton supporters said they would vote for Obama, whereas this campaign, 73% of Sanders supporters say they will vote for Clinton. Social media is simply giving the remainder a louder voice than their numbers deserve. "



Exactly. You can't assume that the loudest are the most representative. Things were pretty damn ugly late in the 2008 primary with both the Obama and Clinton campaigns saying some pretty harsh things about each other. Let's not forget when Hillary said that Obama was not Muslim... "as far as I know" or how she repeatedly said that Obama wouldn't be able to win over white voters or when Bill went around calling Obama's campaign the biggest fairy tale he'd ever seen - something many African American voters found offensive and condescending. Stupid, ugly **** gets said in an election. Everyone licked their wounds and moved on for the better of the country.



In November of this year, most of us will have long forgotten about the primary and, after a summer filled with contrasts between Hillary and Trump, I have little doubt that the vast majority of Sanders' supporters will vote for her.

The only consolation is the further marginalization of the more rabid Sanders advocates. If FB offers anecdotal evidence of anything, and one has to be careful surveying the shifts among a particular set of "friends" as a trend, it's proof that the majority of still-gonna-win-it styled Sanders posts tend to sit "unliked" now. Among the people I know, many admittedly acquaintances, the conversations are more often generated below posted pieces like the one PalJoey cites. Disgust at the thought of this sustained acrimony putting Trump in the White House. There's a decided whiff of backlash against the stench of bitterness permeating the she-is-stealing-it mindset. Again, anecdotal, but the winds have shifted.