clinton vs. sanders your vote? — Page 88

History will not be kind to the GOP of the past 15 years. Historians will see a party that self-destructed, that ceded the political center to the Dems. For years, the GOP has claimed that we are a "center-right" country. Perhaps, but they've tripped over themselves trying to be more and more politically pure that they're approaching fascism. All the while, President Obama has run a centrist administration, and no one has noticed. Not the GOP, and certainly not the media. Sure, there have certainly been progressive accomplishments over the last 7+ years, but his greatest accomplishment, the Affordable Care Act, is essentially a conservative solution. Don't believe me? Go back to the rhetoric of the early days of the 2008 election cycle, and you'll see that the ACA includes many/most/all of the concepts that the GOP were promoting. In addition, the stimulus plan was far more conservative than liberals wanted at the time, and many/most/all liberals opposed the bailout of the auto industry. But the GOP was too concerned with denying Obama a 2nd term to acknowledge this, so they had to move even further out to the fringe.

In the short run, I am glad that the Dems are able to benefit from the GOP's myopia. However, in the long run, the demise of the GOP is dangerous to our country. We need a serious discussion about serious issues, and that is impossible in our current political environment.

Updated On: 3/3/16 at 02:20 PM

HuffPo has called the race for Bernie. Sorry, guys. It's over!

Funny you should mention Ann Coulter, Namo. Someone at work and I were pondering the public's likely reaction to Trump trying to nominate her to the Supreme Court.

PRS, how can he be allowed to print such nonsense, especially on the Huffington Post?

StageManager2 said: "PRS, how can he be allowed to print such nonsense, especially on the Huffington Post?

I think for a lot of Barney's supporters, this is the first time they've paid any attention, so they really don't understand how everything works.

In a general election, Trump is going to be absolutely ruthless and exploit Hillary's criminal scandals and her husband's perceived immorality. As Trump has said, "I haven't even started on her yet". She is lucky that Bernie is of a higher calibre than he is. Given the close polls between Hillary and Trump at the moment, this election is feeling a little scary.

javero said: "Funny you should mention Ann Coulter, Namo. Someone at work and I were pondering the public's likely reaction to Trump trying to nominate her to the Supreme Court."

I thought she was going to be trumps running mate. Just imagine Anne coulter as head of the senate. Omfg

I really don't have a dog in this fight, in that I think both Democratic candidates are generally very good- both are flawed in their own ways, but I'd be perfectly happy voting for either in a general election. That said, I am so tired of seeing those damn polls trotted out that show both candidates in head to head match-ups with the Republicans. I'm sure the polls are accurate, but they're pretty useless indicators of who will actually win in November. However, a lot of the Sanders supporters on my Facebook feed get kind of smug about posting them, as if a poll conducted at the end of February is gospel. I'm all for being enthusiastic about one's chosen candidate, but a lot of that behavior is really off-putting, especially because it's clear to me that Sanders is a stand-up person and someone who is absolutely to be admired.

The disgust over DWS.....thank you. I live here in her district.

^^^^^^

Agree completely.

Republican debates make me happy.

"These Republican Trojan "concerns" like the above mention "criminal" bs is what I am so sick of. "

As far as I understand, Hillary is not a convicted criminal. However, Hillary is currently involved in an FBI investigation (with recent publicity suggesting it is a criminal investigation), and has been involved in several different types of scandals in the past. As far as I understand, this is simply factual not "BS". Could the negative publicity from these scandals potentially be one reason why in nearly every poll Bernie Sanders beats Trump with a greater margin than Hillary Clinton?

Or perhaps another reason is because many Americans think that Hillary is a dishonest person (polling evidence). Perhaps reinforced by some recent behaviour - only a few weeks ago she said she would "look into" releasing transcripts of the Wall Street speeches she gave but shamelessly has not released anything despite repeated requests from the Sanders campaign. It is extremely suspicious - if she had nothing to hide she'd release them. And indeed, some recent anecdotes from those who were in attendance have spelled out exactly why she isn't releasing them:

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/hillary-clinton-speeches-on-wall-street-2016-2?r=US&IR=T

I don't necessarily agree with the sentiment that "Hillary is THE MOST CORRUPT AND EVIL LYING LIAR IN THE HISTORY OF HUMANITY". But let's also not engage in blind fandom and pretend she is Mother Teresa.

Bernie has better policies, is perceived as more honest and trustworthy, and currently seems to have the best chance of beating the republican nominee. It sounds like a no-brainer to vote for Bernie Sanders. I can understand the criticism RE: "getting things done", though. Bernie has said in previous interviews that he doesn't expect universal health care "on day one", perhaps he can be clearer about the trajectory of compromises he would be willing to accept to pass bills.

Updated On: 3/4/16 at 02:11 AM

"In short: Sanders numbers are artificially high because he is largely unknown."

The only thing I'll add to that is boldface for added emphasis.

In short: Sanders numbers are artificially high because he is largely unknown!!!

Updated On: 3/4/16 at 04:48 AM