clinton vs. sanders your vote?- Page 87

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 3/2/16 at 8:37pm

A teaser trailer of what would happen IF Hillary becomes POTUS:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/03/02/hillary-lost-my-vote-in-honduras/

Updated On: 3/2/16 at 08:37 PM

[theaterdrew]

Posted: 3/2/16 at 9:06pm

I can't wait for the moment when Barack Obama can begin to tell the country about the real Hillary Clinton.  He's going to be the best surrogate ever.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/26/why-electing-hillary-in-16-is-more-important-than-electing-obama-in-08.html

 

PS: SuperPAC anti-Trump ads are now running in my region.  They are probably a total waste of money.

[Borstalboy]

Posted: 3/2/16 at 9:21pm

Whatever your affiliation, can we possibly agree that Debbie Wasserman Schultz  is a complete a**hole with a despicable perm?

 

http://usuncut.com/news/debbie-wasserman-schultz-just-declared-war-on-elizabeth-warren/

 

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 3/2/16 at 10:04pm

I can't wait for the moment when Barack Obama can begin to tell the country about the real Hillary Clinton.

 

Why can't you tell us? 

 

Oh, because you're speculating wildly?

[HorseTears]

Posted: 3/2/16 at 10:08pm

Borstalboy said: "Whatever your affiliation, can we possibly agree that Debbie Wasserman Schultz  is a complete a**hole with a despicable perm?

http://usuncut.com/news/debbie-wasserman-schultz-just-declared-war-on-elizabeth-warren/"

 

 

Yeah, I posted that earlier, Borstal.  No one seems to give a ****, unfortunately.  

 

Updated On: 3/2/16 at 10:08 PM

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 3/2/16 at 10:36pm

Payday loans are legal loansharkery and should be outlawed. I hope Barnie shuts 'em down tomorrow, but I don't think this will ever reach the Senate. I think Debbie Wasserman Schultz is a lady politician and I don't care about her hair. 

Updated On: 3/2/16 at 10:36 PM

[theaterdrew]

Posted: 3/2/16 at 11:00pm

Why can't you tell us? 

Oh, because you're speculating wildly?

 

Ah, the only way those questions make sense is if you didn't read the story I linked.  Pssst: it's pro-HRC.

 

[Jay Lerner-Z]

Posted: 3/2/16 at 11:12pm

I did read the link, honest. I obviously misunderstood - from now on I will endeavor to count to sixty before posting. Sorry!

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 3/2/16 at 11:21pm

There are payday loan places that prey on people in Middlebury VERMONT.  I'm not saying that means anything about anybody who is in power in VERMONT or has been for a long time or anything.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 3/3/16 at 8:38am

If only they had an established senator, someone who had been in public service for decades.  

[HorseTears]

Posted: 3/3/16 at 11:45am

FindingNamo said: "There are payday loan places that prey on people in Middlebury VERMONT.  I'm not saying that means anything about anybody who is in power in VERMONT or has been for a long time or anything."

 

 

Namo, you're the king of snark.  i bow down to you in that regard, but that^ is just silly.  I believe that Vermont prohibits payday loans and they've taken some pretty swift action against out-of-state payday lenders that have used loopholes to continue business in the state.  Wasserman Schultz should absolutely be condemned for her actions this week.   I posted the story about her support of Payday-Lender friendly legislation not because I think Hillary has to take responsibility for DWS's actions, but because it's a perfect example of the very real reasons that many of Bernie's supporters are deeply cynical about the intentions and loyalties of the Democratic establishment.  When I see a story like this, I 'get' that cynicism even if I don't share it in its entirety.  As head of the DNC it's pretty hard to argue that Schultz isn't one of the most prominent and influential members of that establishment.  

 

 

As for Sanders, please correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I believe he introduced legislation or proposed amendments to existing legislation in 2004 and again in 2010 to more strongly regulate the predatory practices of payday lenders and check cashing services.  I know that he spoke out about these issues many times over the past 15-20 years, sometimes invoking Elizabeth Warren's name before she was a media darling or even considering a Senate run.  

 

And just last year he made a pretty bold proposal  that could help save the US Postal Service and give the working poor greater access to banking: to turn post offices into banks that offered savings accounts and that cashed checks.  And before you say that's yet another radical pie-in-the-sky dream from Bernie, as The Atlantic points out, postal banking is common throughout Europe and Asia and has also been proposed by some respected economists and legal scholars... (I know formatting kinda sucks on here, so for clarity, everything posted below this chorus line is from The Atlantic article)

 

 

It’s something Sanders alluded to in a 2014 Wall Street Journal op-ed, and it’s not even the craziest idea proposed to save the USPS—a report last year explored the implications of turning post offices into hubs for 3-D printing.

 

In fact, Sanders’s idea is quite sensible. “Postal banking”—which just means that post offices run savings accounts, cash checks, and perform other basic financial services—is common in most of Asia and Europe, and only about 7 percent of the world’s national postal systems don’t offer some bank-like services. Postal banking is a really good way to reach people who haven’t had access to standard savings accounts. One estimate figures that more than 1 billion people have used post offices for making deposits.

 

The reason why this would be so useful in the U.S. is that somewhere between 20 and 40 percent of the population has to rely on check-cashing or payday-lending services, which in some places charge usurious rates that send people into spirals of recurring debt. Mehrsa Baradaran, a professor at the University of Georgia School of Law and the author of How the Other Half Banks, touched on the promise of postal banking in a book excerpt published in The Atlanticlast week...

 

"The basic idea of modern postal banking is a public bank offering a wide range of transaction services, including financial transactions, remittance, savings accounts, and small lending. These institutions would remain affordable because of economies of scale and because of the existing postal infrastructure in the U.S. Plus, in the absence of shareholders, they would not be driven to seek profits and could sell services at cost."

 

Updated On: 3/3/16 at 11:45 AM

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 3/3/16 at 11:49am

Don't Assume  Bernie Sanders Supporters Will Back Hillary If She's the Nominee 

[HorseTears]

Posted: 3/3/16 at 12:02pm

^ F*CKing idiots.  I had to restrain myself from yelling at a dear friend who signed one of those "BernieOrBust" pledges yesterday.  You're electing a President, not your BFF in the District.  I have no doubt that some Bernie supporters will abstain, but I think as the contrast is drawn between Hillary and whatever two-headed monster emerges from Cleveland, the overwhelming majority of them will support Hillary.  Begrudgingly, perhaps, but when Warren and Bernie both stump for Hillary, the majority of their supporters will become her supporters.  I'm sure we all know plenty of people - some on this thread, no doubt - who begrudgingly supported Obama in 2008 after Hillary finally dropped out of that race. 

Updated On: 3/3/16 at 12:02 PM

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 3/3/16 at 12:26pm

But is this just "an anecdote"?  In the way "Hillary is THE MOST CORRUPT AND EVIL LYING LIAR IN THE HISTORY OF HUMANITY" is just "an anecdote"?

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 3/3/16 at 12:29pm

I'm just so glad that it's taken prominent women in the Democratic Party to alert people to the way politics in this country has worked since time immemorial.  

 

It's funny you mention Warren, HorseTears, because I was thinking earlier today how it's going to fun to watch all the Warren fanboys and girls turn on her when she endorses Hillary.

[best12bars]

Posted: 3/3/16 at 12:30pm

My guess is that if/when Hillary is the official nominee, there will be a "disgruntled Democrat" period for a couple of weeks with the Bernie supporters, and then they will come around. At this point, until it's "over" they are do-or-die.

 

At least that's what I'm hoping. If they don't come around (and she gets the nomination), then they're damn fools.

[StageManager2]

Posted: 3/3/16 at 12:37pm

Why is it that a lot of those articles are about Sanders supporters vowing NOT to vote for Clinton, if he doesn't get the nomination? In fact, I haven't seen one that goes "Clinton Supporters Won't Back Sanders If He's The Nominee." Is it because his main base are not Democrats or are first-time voters?

 

HorseTears, I was one of those Clinton supporters who was devastated when she didn't get the nod in 2008, especially since it was a very close race, unlike this one. But I never went as far as to consider abstaining or voting for the opposition or third party. True Democrats vote for whoever is the nominee.

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 3/3/16 at 12:40pm

FindingNamo said: "But is this just "an anecdote"?  In the way "Hillary is THE MOST CORRUPT AND EVIL LYING LIAR IN THE HISTORY OF HUMANITY" is just "an anecdote"?"

Well I never said those things. I just said she's a horrible candidate. And she has a very long record that shows that. Dismantling welfare, NAFTA, TPP, pro fracking, DOMA, and a HORRIBLE foreign policy record. Unless you're a fan of war hawks.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 3/3/16 at 12:43pm

My post was an amalgamation of the nightmare that has become my Facebook feed over the past couple of weeks.

 

But you're right, I'll never forget when Hillary Clinton dismantled welfare.

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 3/3/16 at 12:47pm

Maybe you'll remember when she advocated for her husband's racist Welfare reform policy that plunged millions into poverty? Or when she advocated for mass incarceration and blew the racist dog whistle of black super predator teens? 

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 3/3/16 at 12:52pm

Didn't Barney vote for (Bill) Clinton's Crime Bill?

[StageManager2]

Posted: 3/3/16 at 12:53pm

My guess is that if/when Hillary is the official nominee, there will be a "disgruntled Democrat" period for a couple of weeks with the Bernie supporters, and then they will come around. At this point, until it's "over" they are do-or-die.

 

That's why Sanders should suspend his campaign when it becomes clear that he can't acquire enough delegates. Hillary did the right thing by gracefully bowing out more than two months before the convention, which allowed for the wounds to heal and the party to regroup. But Sanders has stated that he will continue to the convention because "every voter should be heard." But Clinton looks to win big in the upcoming primaries, and most experts are saying that after March 15 (she's polling 20%-30% in delegate-rich Florida, Illinois, North Carolina, and Ohio) the writing will be on the wall for Sanders. Nate Silver also said before Super Tuesday that Sanders shouldn't fall behind 100 pledged delegates, if he wished to remain in the game, because Democrats award delegates proportionally, so he'd have no realistic way of catching up to her. Post-Tuesday, she now has 595 pledged delegates to his 405, a difference of 190. 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 3/3/16 at 12:53pm

Erik I totally support your purity ring.  Honest injun.  

[HorseTears]

Posted: 3/3/16 at 1:45pm

Trevor Noah makes an excellent point.  

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 3/3/16 at 1:47pm

Oooohweeee, that comments section!