clinton vs. sanders your vote? — Page 86

Same feminist FB friend just went on a tear because of similarities between something Hillary's account tweeted out late last night and something Bernie's account tweeted out about six hours before. AT THE VERY LEAST, she is informing the world, Hillary's SPEECH WRITER SHOULD BE FIRED (as if that's who runs the Twitter account) and Hillary [the evilest woman the world has ever known (I'm paraphrasing)] must be held accountable FOR PLAGIARISM.

For a tweet. In which both expressed the belief that this country belongs to all of us.

I honestly think that if the election is Sanders vs. Trump a third party Independent/GOP candidate would in fact enter the race, and most likely win. In a Trump/Clinton race, I think that is far less likely, and most sane GOP members would support Clinton over Trump. I honestly do not believe that Bernie, in a General Election, would be able to retain broad enough support to win. Clinton has been respectful of his work and his positions, and agrees to a large extent with many of them The same cannot be said of those in the GOP. The GOP machine that has large portions of our population convinced that Obama is a Kenya Socialist Muslim, I can only imagine what they would do with an actual Socialist Jew.

I was told by someone today that Hillary's win didn't matter, because democrats in the south don't count. And when I reminded them that there are plenty of Democrats in the south that are helping escort women into planned parenthood and running LGTBQ centers are great personal risk to themselves. He responded "they should work harder."

"I was told by someone today that Hillary's win didn't matter, because democrats in the south don't count."

That's why I wrote earlier..neither Trump nor Hillary is a regional player..

Thanks for the additional insight BrerBear. And SM2 you are right, the extremists are the issue ... in both parties! They aren't rational and aren't even supporting a cause. They support a single do-or-die-extreme candidate with unrealistic, shortsighted (yet perceived as visionary) goals that could never be implemented. But nothing else matters to the extremists because all their "good buttons" are being pushed. Even the true ideals of "liberal" and "conservative" are lost. Their political beliefs have little to do with reality or human nature, let alone politics, which is the real "game" in question.

Sanders and Trump are extremists that would flounder in a daily political arena as commander-in-chief. They would amass such animosity from congress and the supreme court, as well as international leaders, that it would make Obama's presidency look calm and agreeable by comparison. They would be eaten alive by the "system" that they both want to shake up. How exactly would they shake it up? By yelling? A president doesn't rule absolutely. There is a system of checks and balances that they can't overrun or ignore or blast through. Obama and Clinton understand how to get things done and move the country ahead (sometimes kicking and screaming) through compromise and by "playing the game" at least to get the ball rolling. One deadlocked face-off after another is all we would get from the extreme candidates, should either of them be elected.

I can tell you that if Sanders got the nomination (which is doubtful at this point) he would have my vote. But until that time, Clinton has my support and my vote. She will do a lot to advance this country in the right direction and she understands how to play in the system. "Thinking outside the box" is easy. Just shoot your mouth off. Try "thinking INSIDE the box." It's much harder, but it's the reality of the political arena.

Updated On: 3/2/16 at 05:04 PM

I should be clear here ... I see far more similarities in the supporters of the two extreme candidates than I do in the candidates themselves.

Thinking of Clinton and Jennifer Saunders and wishing that was an episode.

The AbFab connection means too many people hate her equals she is unelectable equals why are you all so mean?

With all due respect WTF are you talking about NOW?

I don't sense any respect in your tone.

Have y'all seen the movie teaser?

After 86 pages we could use a little levity! I know straight chimney-sweeping South Floridians are a target demo, too.

"They support a single do-or-die-extreme candidate with unrealistic, shortsighted (yet perceived as visionary) goals"

Just to check my understanding, are you referring to the goals of Bernie Sanders? I think his goals are the opposite of shortsighted, they are long-term ideals. In my opinion, the biggest issue is that they are potentially unrealistic in the context of the USA political system and thus not short-term focussed enough. Hillary's plans seem more realistic given the USA political system and thus more likely to be implemented in the short-term, which is part of her appeal. However, I would speculate that Hillary would probably agree that Bernie Sanders' vision for the USA is more appealing than her own. As you point out though (and as she often says), she wants to get things done.

My overall point is that while I think it could be fair to criticise Sanders as unrealistic, I don't think it's fair to criticise his goals as being shortsighted. Hillary is pretty much working towards the same ideal but in baby steps (which could be more achievable): she wants to increase accessibility of healthcare (but not quite as far as Sanders), she wants to raise the minimum wage (but not quite as far as Sanders), she wants to make University education more accessible (but not quite as far as Sanders), she wants to redistribute wealth from the rich and powerful to the middle class (but not quite as far as Sanders).

Updated On: 3/2/16 at 08:09 PM