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[Glebb]

Posted: 5/21/06 at 10:01pm

This episode certainly did not disappoint.

[cheezedoodle]

Posted: 5/21/06 at 10:04pm

So - when Tony said that "it had happened before" - meaning the gay thing, who do you think he was referring to? I have a feeling about two people, the cook at the Bada Bing - and Phil. It was sad to see Adrianna also.

Updated On: 5/21/06 at 10:04 PM

[Luscious]

Posted: 5/21/06 at 10:16pm

Tonight's episode, more than any other this season, left me very upset and angry. And it was more than just Vito's storyline that I found upsetting. I've come to truly despise these characters. They're all loathsome creatures. The fact that anyone might look up to them or admire them in any way is sickening. And yet I continue to watch. I guess, that it can illicit such a reaction in me speaks to the quality of the show, but still, it disturbs me that there are some people who watch and root for these people.

Updated On: 5/21/06 at 10:16 PM

[cheezedoodle]

Posted: 5/21/06 at 10:28pm

It's JUST a television show, really.

Did anyone else catch that when Tony was getting a BJ in the car - a Stevie Van Zant riff was playing on the radio? I thought that was hysterical.

[Luscious]

Posted: 5/21/06 at 10:31pm

"It's JUST a television show, really."

True. But there are people who admire these characters and aspire to emulate them. That, and the fact that people like this actually exist (believe me, I know), is what I find most disturbing.

Updated On: 5/21/06 at 10:31 PM

Posted: 5/21/06 at 10:42pm

What happened with Vito?

[wexy]

Posted: 5/21/06 at 10:43pm

I felt bad for Vito's kids reading that story in the paper.
AJ is so annoying.

[fflagg]

Posted: 5/21/06 at 10:44pm

Emulate them??

Wah-wah. It's a f**king TV show.

Desperate Housewives features a woman who had an affair with a teen gardener. Has this resulted in horny middle-aged women getting banged by their 17-year-old gardeners?

[Luscious]

Posted: 5/21/06 at 10:45pm

*** Spoiler Alert ***


Chita, I didn't want to spoil it for west coast viewers. For now, let's just say it wasn't pretty.

[Luscious]

Posted: 5/21/06 at 10:53pm

"Emulate them??"

"Wah-wah. It's a f**king TV show."


Well... maybe if you lived in my neighborhood and grew up around the people I grew up around you wouldn't take it so lightly. I can't tell you how many people I know who would agree with, and applaud, the way the Vito "situation" was resolved. If it "inspires" even one person to react in same, well... I'm sorry... I find that sad and upsetting. And at the same time, I realize that the writers had to stay true to the characters, and the story they're telling.

Updated On: 5/21/06 at 10:53 PM

[fflagg]

Posted: 5/21/06 at 10:57pm

Then don't watch the show.

And I am from the Bronx so do not lecture about growing up in a certain hood.

Life can suck, OK? Nothing and no one is perfect. If you are going to fret like a woman, turn off the channel and read a book.

[Jane2]

Posted: 5/21/06 at 10:57pm

"Wah-wah. It's a f**king TV show."

Typical SFN post.

[Luscious]

Posted: 5/21/06 at 10:58pm

"If you are going to fret like a woman, turn off the channel and read a book."

I prefer to turn you off, instead.

Updated On: 5/22/06 at 10:58 PM

[Jane2]

Posted: 5/21/06 at 11:10pm

"and I am from the Bronx so do not lecture about growing up in a certain hood".


Waaa waaaaa-I'm from the Bronx.

Sorry fflag, couldn't help it.

[Auggie27]

Posted: 5/22/06 at 7:54am

I found it disturbing, but satisfying dramatically. When Vito killed the motorist in last week's show, in a capricious, self-serving act, I knew his fate was sealed.

All this season he's been given a chance to be "reborn" in Vermont. And was only half-way able to embrace it. Realizing his identity is complex and in some ways (to his thinking) set in stone, he left his re-invention opportunity and returned to the only life he knew. As we saw in the phone call to his gay lover, NOT returning to a "straight" life so much as a mob life. He could live without his kids, yes, but not the only real "achievement" he has ever known. I was very shaken by it, and of course the events of the last 5 minutes.

Did anyone think this story could be resolved otherwise? The universe in this show is oddly enough a very moral one. Karma is far more serious business here than MY NAME IS EARL. One can observe: Vito's fate was determined by Vito, not the homophobic thugs who did him in.

If you live by the sword, you die by the sword. When he returned, full of lies and desperation (and easy murder to achieve his re-entry) Vito opted for a personal truth that wasn't based on love and redemption, but on the petty violence-infused world he'd left, he made a final, fatal choice.

Updated On: 5/22/06 at 07:54 AM

[iflitifloat]

Posted: 5/22/06 at 10:08am

What Auggie said.

The was no other way that story line could have ended and remain realistic. But neither was Vito an innocent victim. He met his end for the wrong reasons, but he *was* a BAD man.

And a minor quibble, but I find fflag's "If you are going to fret like a woman..." statement more than a little annoying. I see no women fretting in this thread. Only men.

[cheezedoodle]

Posted: 5/22/06 at 11:25am

No fretting here Iflit! lol. I too felt bad about the kids reading the paper - and the most touching thing about that was the daughter sad her daddy was not a spy. Kids are so amazingly truthful - it was as if it did not matter if he were gay or not, she just wanted him home.

[thirdrowcenter]

Posted: 5/22/06 at 11:45am

Pardon me if this has been asked before but I thought the Sopranos was ending with the next episode. Now it looks as if this is the last show of the "year." Did I read there are eight more shows?
How tall is Tony? AJ looks like a peanut next to him.

[cheezedoodle]

Posted: 5/22/06 at 11:49am

Tony is a big guy - I think he is 6 - 2 or something. There will be six (?) more completion episodes this holiday season. That will end the series .

[iflitifloat]

Posted: 5/22/06 at 12:09pm

A lot of filming for the show is done in the area where I live and work. Last year, when I made my semi-catatonic morning stop at the 7-11 for a cup of blueberry coffee (keep your comments to yourselves, please), I was standing next to a big guy, also getting coffee (not blueberry), and it gradually occurred to me that it was "Tony". 6'0" or a little more is a reasonable estimate.

And if Meadow or AJ were my kids, they'd have to lock me up somewhere for a cure.

[thirdrowcenter]

Posted: 5/22/06 at 12:49pm

I'm glad Tony took over motivating AJ to work. Carmella was too soft. Although Carmella surely needed a vacation, the Paris footage was not what I want from the Sopranos.

[cheezedoodle]

Posted: 5/22/06 at 12:53pm

I think the Paris stuff was just a way for Carm to "come to Jesus" so to speak. I think she is going to get to the bottom of Adrianna's disappearance. I mean, the dreams, and running into Ade's mom at the festival. Something is gonna happen and I think Carm is at the bottom of it when it does.

Posted: 5/22/06 at 1:33pm

and did she start asking Rosie about Jackie Jr. because she suspects something?

[thirdrowcenter]

Posted: 5/22/06 at 1:39pm

Interesting about Carmella asking about Jackie Jr. I thought she might have thoughts about life without AJ.

[BroadwayChica]

Posted: 5/22/06 at 1:49pm

My thoughts on the way the Vito situation was resolved:

While I see Luscious' point about the possibility of the show "glorifying" such an atrocious act of violence, I don't believe that was the intended effect, nor do I think the general response from viewers would be of "rejoicing". This series has OFTEN done many scenes that are meant to show that these characters AREN'T likeable. That they're vicious, corrupt, brutal and quite often downright evil people. Think, for example, of the scene in which Ralphie beat his pregnant stripper girlfriend to death. Here we had a character who had provided a lot of comedy relief, and who was somewhat "likeable", suddenly do a completely vicious and violent act. It's like a wake up call from the producers: These people AREN'T the heroes.

However, I still don't think that was the case in this episode. Vito's death was carried out by Phil, who, all season, has been slowly presented as an unlikeable loose cannon. A thorn on Tony's side. I don't think viewers particularly LIKE Phil, and to witness him take "justice" into his own hands, regardless of your views on homosexuality, is there as an obstacle to Tony. He killed a capo from another family, without the blessing of that family's boss.

Which is why Sil, and all of Tony's "thugs", despite their flagrant and disgusting homophobia, ganged up on that guy (****, I suck at remembering names), when he described what he'd done to Vito. Even THEY in their homophobic, violent ways were OUTRAGED at these turn of events.

And thus, a war has started.

BTW, was Vito's death an homage to Marlowe's Edward II, or am I just reading too much into it?

Oh, and Chita, I DO get the impression that Carmela brought up Jackie's death because she suspects Tony was behind it.
Updated On: 5/22/06 at 01:49 PM