Adam Pascal sounds off on the haters!- Page 8

[LizzieCurry]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 9:02pm

Is it true Anthony Rapp actually came on this message Board to Defend RENT?

Yes. http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/843081.html

[GlindatheGood22]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 9:03pm

It makes my skin crawl when people abuse the word bullying. Bullying is repetitive, done with the intent to harm, and DIRECTED AT THE VICTIM. Pointing out that Adam Pascal flubbed a line on a board where he may never read it is not bullying.

[WiCkEDrOcKS]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 9:05pm

The phenomenon of misusing the term "bullying" is just ridiculous in itself. Kad hit the nail on the head with his posts about it earlier in this thread.

[ghostlight2]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 9:08pm

Sounds we're basically in agreement, then, WiCkEDrOcKS, but this?:

"...they "make fun" of us (which is probably true of some theater insiders...and also in horrible taste...talk about biting the hand that feeds you."

I honestly almost never hear anyone in theaters talk about either message board, but when they do "make fun", it's usually over something like a thread like this, posters in a tizzy over something really silly, and all excited that someone's noticed them - like the Bring Broadway back to the Tonys thread I was talking about. Some posters were practically wetting their pants when they were quoted on an actor's page, or in the press.

No one's sitting around in their dressing rooms saying "Oh, those stupid fans of ours, talking about our show".

^^^^

And Diva's and Best 12's posts came up while I was writing, and I agree, but I'd already written this, so here it is.

Updated On: 6/5/13 at 09:08 PM

[iluvtheatertrash]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 9:13pm

I was at Marie's Crisis like a typical queen and missed the majority of the discussion. And frankly, I'm far too lazy to read it all

BUT - Kad is a gem. And I appreciate his support in this discussion.

I've been bullied on this board. It took a while for people to accept I wasn't a troll, and I'm thrilled that now people come and support my shows, and I've even made some friends on this board. The BULLYING on this board is entirely different than criticizing a bad performance THAT WE PAID FOR. Sorry. Adam's being a cry-baby. That's that.

[iluvtheatertrash]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 9:17pm

P.S. No one is saying that sometimes the "bullying" on this far doesn't go too far. What we ARE saying is that THIS IS NOT ONE OF THOSE CASES.

[SporkGoddess]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 9:18pm

I'd like to throw in my agreement with the fact that the word "bullying" gets thrown around way too easily. Bullying requires a power imbalance and systematic abuse.

I get what you meant. I'm just so incensed over the reasons some posters have for complaining. They paid for a ticket? Well, then give them a gold star.

If it weren't for these people paying for tickets, Adam Pascal wouldn't have a job right now.

[WiCkEDrOcKS]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 9:21pm

No one's sitting around in their dressing rooms saying "Oh, those stupid fans of ours, talking about our show".

I didn't say that. I just remember someone saying that two producers (I believe) had been posting comments that someone had posted on here to each others' Facebook walls (personal Facebooks, mind you), making fun of the posts and making jabs at the poster personally. That is all I am going off of.

It's no secret that the theater community and those who love it are both notoriously...shall we say, outspoken? And Pascal should be able to deal with someone calling him out for going up on his lyrics. By now, you'd think he'd have thicker skin than that. And if he thinks thats the worst BroadwayWorld has dished out, then...ok.

And going off of his barometer of sensitivity, Bette Midler should have practically exploded by now since she called for lines 23, 594 times during the first few weeks of I'LL EAT YOU LAST. And we definitely discussed that. At length.

[Someone in a Tree2]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 9:22pm

"Pointing out that Adam Pascal flubbed a line on a board where he may never read it is not bullying."

Totally agreed. Not even bashing. Everyone agrees. Put it to rest.

But most of this thread has been talking about Adam's rant on Facebook in response. Posters have called him "juvenile, whiny, a crybaby, a little girl" and on and on. Still not bullying. But the dogpiling (thanks for that term, Kad) started to mount up.

I tried to widen the conversation to the nature of celeb-bashing on this site in general. Some posters see where pileups in the past have amounted to bashing that is close to bullying. Many posters don't. But we've managed to fill 8 pages with the discussion. Yay, BWW!

[GavestonPS]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 9:25pm

I'm glad to hear others speak out about the overuse of the word "bullying". On another board, I've been called a bully simply because I pointed out that the facts contradicted another poster's argument.

[ghostlight2]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 9:34pm

"I didn't say that. I just remember someone saying that two producers (I believe) had been posting comments that someone had posted on here to each others' Facebook walls (personal Facebooks, mind you), making fun of the posts and making jabs at the poster personally. That is all I am going off of. "

Ok. Didn't mean to put words in your mouth, but I never heard that story and didn't know what you were referring to by saying "biting the hand that feeds you."

Otherwise, yeah, we agree Adam most definitely needs to grow a thicker skin, but lordy, must be a slow night for this to go so many pages! I'm tempted to pull up the old Give the Tonys back to Broadway (or whatever) thread.

ps: you've got me laughing imagining Bette trying to conjure up giving half a f*** about what anybody here has to say


Updated On: 6/5/13 at 09:34 PM

[Jane2]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 9:35pm

"If it weren't for these people paying for tickets, Adam Pascal wouldn't have a job right now."

That has nothing to do with my point. Now it's someone else's turn to do some reading.

[Kad]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 9:44pm

I think we've gotten to point in this thread that conversations enter cul-de-sacs and loop around and go nowhere.

[justoldbill]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 9:47pm

I saw Jerry Orbach as Billy Flynn four times; letter-perfect each time. Gwen Verdon and Chita Rivera, too. Never a hitch. Professionalism mattered then.

[Jane2]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 9:50pm

Kad, I have to agree with you. This thread has gotten ridiculous. I hope it dies a sudden death!

[ghostlight2]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 9:54pm

"I think we've gotten to point in this thread that conversations enter cul-de-sacs and loop around and go nowhere."

I know you're not new around here, Kad.

[WiCkEDrOcKS]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 10:08pm

Almost any thread on here that lasts longer than five pages is repetitive and goes nowhere.

[Craww]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 10:15pm

[broadway guy]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 10:17pm

Adam pascal is a naughty naughty bad man.

[winston89]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 10:17pm

Ok, I just finished reading through eight pages of this thread. And, since I created the original thread that started this whole thing, I thought that I would chime in and add my two cents. First off, not going to lie, the attention is great. But, on a more serious note, I feel that bullying is a term that is a very serious thing and is a term that is incorrectly thrown around a fair amount. Not just on here, but in other places as well.

Like I stated in my original thread, I am a fan of both Amy Spanger's and Adam Pascal's. The fact that they were in the show was what got me to go back to see it. I was disappointed with a few aspects of the show, including Pascal's flub. To me, that was something that I added to my mental laundry list of things that were wrong the performance I saw. And, I am not going to lie, there was a little part of me that was interested in a more gossipy fashion to see if Pascal has had an issue with lines in the past. That's what caused me to ask the question. It wasn't done in a spiteful way, nor was I sitting in my seat, saying through out the course of the show, " I can't wait till Adam flubs." I was just a little curious to see if this was something that happened before. And, as for the recovery of the mistake, I feel that he could have done it better and as a ticket buyer I'm entitled to that opinion. I never once faulted him for making a mistake, nor would I, he's human and allowed to do that.

I honestly feel that if I buy a ticket to a show, there isn't anything wrong with me coming on here and stating my opinions about it. That's something that is done all the time. Not just on here, but on All That Chat and even The New York Times website. If I said something that could have been thought of as evil or full of malice or ill will by accident, I would have no problem in saying " I screwed up, and I'm sorry." But, in this situation, I don't feel that is the case.

I will, however, openly say here and now, that I find it odd that Pascal on one hand says that he loathes sites like this, and yet reads them anyway. I also find it sad that the word "bullying" is once again being used incorrectly.

In any event, thanks Kad and others for the support. I honestly appreciate it.

[John Adams]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 10:24pm

>> I've been bullied on this board. It took a while for people to accept I wasn't a troll

If it makes you feel any better, my 'welcome' wasn't any better.

*Every* *single* reply I posted was immediately responded with "siddown John", regardless of what I wrote. When I responded positively about a subject, the reply was, "It's getting 'shilly' in here". My first PM included the line, "...but you don't seem like a troll". The first positive reply I got was to a post I made that thanked someone for not destroying me online, even though they had opportunity to do so.

Whether it's considered "bullying" or not, I know that it requires a very thick skin to participate here.

[dramamama611]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 10:24pm

Winston -- you didn't do/say anything wrong. You made a comment and were looking for info. Not for a moment should you worry about this.

I can understand his wanting to let off steam, but he didn't do so in the best of ways. (I'm rather shocked that people haven't come on to either thread from his fansite to trash folks here.)

[PalJoey]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 10:34pm

Professionalism mattered then.

Yeah. Whatever happened to CLASS?

[Kad]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 10:36pm

Unfortunately, the proliferation of both trolls and shills have caused us to be less welcoming than we should be with new posters.

[Phyllis Rogers Stone]

Posted: 6/5/13 at 10:42pm

Plus people who come on strong and too quickly try to ingratiate themselves often seem like trolls, who like to come strong and too quickly try to ingratiate themselves. People also tend to be suspicious when a first time poster bypasses the main board for the off-topic board.


Anyway, I think the funniest part if Adam's rant is him asking Finally, to all my fans who will read this, please don't comment with defending me. I'm not looking for compliments or "yeah you tell em Adam". Just try and remember the sentiment, next time you want to use your computer as an outlet for bullying and then seeing all the comments that do just that.

Updated On: 6/5/13 at 10:42 PM