Posted: 2/11/16 at 8:35pm
mike said: Of course, the Super Bowl halftime performers work for free, so maybe that's CBS's pitch to the Tonys host. "This is like being on the Super Bowl!"
This can't be true. The performers on the Super Bowl aren't paid???
Posted: 2/11/16 at 9:06pm
CindersGolightly said: "That's about two weeks pay as a regular principal on Broadway. Not the best but certainly not the worst."
Far from the truth. A principal role on Broadway makes far more, particularly if you are a "name" like Chenoweth or Cumming. "Unknown" names on national tours playing principal roles often make at least 25% more weekly than $2700.
To me, this sounds like they made SAG-AFTRA scale. Which is obscene, but also understandable, as the national exposure was likely beneficial for both of their brands.
gypsy101 said: "This can't be true. The performers on the Super Bowl aren't paid???"
Terrifyingly true. The NFL gives the halftime show a VERY meager budget to produce the show and anything over that very meager amount is paid for out of pocket by the artist. It's entirely a means to market an artist's brand. And although the artists take a loss for the event itself, trust you me, they make it up BIG TIME after the show's exposure lends them a massive spike in song/tour sales.
Fun fact: the NFL is a non profit.
Posted: 2/11/16 at 9:07pm
Not anymore it isn't. Which is why I referred to it as "the recently not non-profit" a mere two posts before yours.
Posted: 2/11/16 at 9:10pm
Ah. Missed that. Darn.
Posted: 2/11/16 at 11:21pm
FindingNamo said: "Not anymore it isn't. Which is why I referred to it as "the recently not non-profit" a mere two posts before yours."
I assumed you were being sarcastic when you said that. I find this shocking. It seems like you would get paid the biggest bucks to perform at the Super Bowl.
Posted: 2/11/16 at 11:26pm
No the big controversy erupted last year before Katy Perry when it was revealed that they wanted the half time performer to pay for the privilege because they'd be paid in "exposure."
Posted: 2/12/16 at 10:01am
"Far from the truth. A principal role on Broadway makes far more, particularly if you are a "name" like Chenoweth or Cumming. "Unknown" names on national tours playing principal roles often make at least 25% more weekly than $2700."
Did you miss the fact that Chenoweth was on Broadway with a NON PROFIT theater company? She made a nonprofit salary, which is less than the required AEA minimum on a normal Broadway production contract.
Updated On: 2/12/16 at 10:01 AM
Posted: 2/12/16 at 10:11am
There is no way Cheno was making 2700 for on the 20th Century. She made well over that. She is a name actress.
Posted: 2/12/16 at 10:15am
I don't know what Kristin made for On the 20th Century, but you make less money when working for a nonprofit than working on a commercial production. That's just a fact.
Posted: 2/12/16 at 10:23am
That is a fact, if you're working for the minimum. But she's not. So it doesn't matter. Sure, I'm sure she made way more in a commercial production like Wicked, but I'm sure they were paying her at least 5000 a week.
Posted: 2/12/16 at 10:28am
RippedMan said: "That is a fact, if you're working for the minimum. But she's not. So it doesn't matter. Sure, I'm sure she made way more in a commercial production like Wicked, but I'm sure they were paying her at least 5000 a week."
if you are a name in a for-profit production, you make more than in a non-profit production. regardless of any minimums. the difference migjht not be much but it is less. regardless of your name. so neonlights is correct.
$5,000 a week is a lot. i strongly doubt Kristin was making that in WICKED. Pacino -- a bona fide movie star -- was making less than $40,000 a week in CHINA DOLL
Posted: 2/12/16 at 11:25am
i could have sworn i read somewhere that Idina made $30,000 a week when she played Elphaba on the West End.
Posted: 2/12/16 at 11:31am
It might have changed since, but Todd Haimes talked about Roundabout pay on the American Theatre Wing podcast around 2007. He said everybody's getting the same pay, no matter if you're a star or not. And the number was below equity minimum. I can't remember exactly what it was now. If you're interested, look up that podcast, it was very insightful as to how Roundabout operates (although it's a bit outdated, and the number has likely gone up a bit since, with inflation and such, but the general concept won't have changed).
So yes, she made very little money during that run. There's a reason she did the whole Godmother of the Royal Caribbean cruise ship thing, for example. I would assume she got a lot of money for that.
Posted: 2/12/16 at 11:39am
I have read that the Super Bowl halftime performers are not paid as well. The NFL pays their expenses, but they don't receive a salary. The Tony Awards seems to me like they don't get a big budget from CBS to put on the show, so it seems that they try and save money any way they can. For instance, they charge producers for the physical Tony award when winning Best Musical after something like two for free. The tickets for industry attendees are very expensive in my opinion, etc.
Posted: 2/12/16 at 11:52am
The Tonys was watched by less than 6.5 million people last year. Comparatively about 8-10 million saw the good wife weekly that season. So Cummings professional profile wouldn't have benefited from the exposure to the extent that taking that low a salary was worth it. I would believe that both of them had a personal attachment towards having the opportunities to host the awards though so the money wasn't a deal breaker.
Updated On: 2/12/16 at 11:52 AM
Posted: 2/12/16 at 12:10pm
Keep in mind the term Not For Profit has nothing to do with salaries it has to do with the way a company is set up. The National Football League is a Not For Profit and the head of that, Roger Goodell, made $44 Million last year. The Metropolitan Opera Company is Not For Profit and the General Manager had a package of $2.1 Mill in 2013 and Renee Fleming commanded $15,000 per performance.
I remember Todd Haimes of Roundabout receiving a bonus one year upwards of $3 Mill. You can pay any amount of salary in Not For Profit, it is the CORPORATION that does not show a profit.
Posted: 2/12/16 at 12:42pm
I do NOT know how many more times I gots to say it, yo:
Posted: 2/12/16 at 1:00pm
Exactly. I remember reading about how much people at Lincoln Center make. Just like O'hara. It's a non-profit, but I know she's not working for scale.
Posted: 2/12/16 at 1:16pm
THE NFL IS NO LONGER A NON-PROFIT
Posted: 2/12/16 at 1:20pm
"He said everybody's getting the same pay, no matter if you're a star or not. And the number was below equity minimum. I can't remember exactly what it was now."
Correct. I believe it's currently ~1300. As I said, I don't know what Kristin made, but that's how Roundabout operates.
King and I is completely different because they extended the production and it is now a regular production contract. I love that people insist they know what they're talking about and they don't.
Posted: 2/12/16 at 1:48pm
The number sounds right to me. When I perform on SNL, I get the standard Sag/Aftra rate for Principal, which is about $1,900. I would assume that their name value would get them more. No, it is not BIG bucks, but it is better then most acting jobs.
Posted: 2/12/16 at 1:52pm
Namo, you are sorely missing the point. Whether the NFL is Not For Profit on today's date or not, when it WAS Not For Profit the Manager was paid $44 Million Dollars. The point being, one can make huge salaries at a Not For Profit.
All salaries are always negotiable. There is a MINIMUM salary at Not For Profit Broadway but there is no maximum.
Even under Favored Nations an actor can make x dollars on the Favored Nations Contract PLUS y dollars on a quiet, side contract. (In other words actor friends, watch out for Favored Nations Contracts too).
Updated On: 2/12/16 at 01:52 PM
Posted: 2/12/16 at 3:08pm
That may be true for non-profits in general, but not for the way roundabout is set up, following Todd Haimes. He was very very specific in said podcast interview. If you have any evidence that he lied or that there was a drastic change in their policy since 2008, okay...
Here is the podcast btw, number 147 https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/atw-downstage-center/id74195482?mt=2 (there's a non-itunes version too, if you google it)
Posted: 2/12/16 at 3:29pm
I am a big supporter of Mr Haimes and The Roundabout since he took over when it was about to close and financed it on his credit card. He deserves every bit.
I am just pointing out that there is a healthy salary to be made in Not For Profit theater. This link shows Mr. Haimes salary to have been $556,000 in 2010 and the Gen Manager of Lincoln Center Theater to be $648,000.
http://parabasis.typepad.com/blog/2010/08/top-nyc-theatre-salaries-expressed-as-percentages.html
Posted: 2/12/16 at 4:48pm
He actually makes about $630,000 in salary and other compensation, along with an annual retention payment of around $140,000.... but he also runs a $60+ million organization (source: http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments//2014/136/192/2014-136192346-0bbcaf5c-9.pdf).
Those who were commenting to you about actor salaries were clearly not talking about administration, though and you know that. They were talking about the actor salaries and the point that a big name in a non-profit company will make less than if he or she were appearing in a for-profit presentation. It could be the difference of a few thousand dollars a week, or less... or more... but the point is still a legitimate one: they will have a slightly reduced weekly salary because they all pay slightly less than commercial producers do. It's just a fact.
