Best male broadwy voice right now : Hadley Fraser- Page 3

[Phantom2]

Posted: 4/25/07 at 7:02pm

Hadley is bringing sexy back.

[LoringsGuy]

Posted: 4/26/07 at 1:17am

I've got to agree about Pasquale as well. His voice is absolutely stunning, and it's tragic he is so meagerly represented on disc. Does anyone know of any other recordings he's on besides Spitfire Grill and Man of No Importance? I heard a recording of him from The Secret Garden a while back and it was amazing. To think he's depriving us of that glorious voice by doing TV work----shameful!

[fairygodmother]

Posted: 4/26/07 at 7:13am

yep, i discovered hadley at college, when he sang jesus christ superstar. we were all enjoying the concert, but when he started the whole audience just leaned forward and went a bit silly!
haven't seen him for years, since he got so big and famous!

[GClef2]

Posted: 4/26/07 at 7:42am

I think that Norm Lewis definetly can be categorized with Jason and Hadley. His voice is stunning.

[menzelphaba]

Posted: 4/26/07 at 11:54am

Marc Kudish is amazing....saw him in See What I Wanna See, and his voice is so incredibly rich and strong.

[Jazzysuite82]

Posted: 4/26/07 at 12:18pm

Massofmen, Curtains is really a bad example of what Jason does. You can't judge a person's voice off of 1 performance. Generally you go off of a body of work. Frankly I've seen Jason in plenty of roles and what you hear on the CD is what you get. There is no manipulation. His high C's and his High C's and it sounds so easy on him. I think his voice is changing as he ages but that's to be expected. Jason is a good 15 years older than Hadley, whom I haven't even heard.

[massofmen]

Posted: 4/26/07 at 1:47pm

I dont know what age has to do with the conversation actually. John rait before he died probably still had a better voice than most people on the planet. And also, I think that I can discern about someones voice in the first 30 seconds of a song can't i? I mean don't casting people do that when they are auditioning people? You can tell tone, and control and pitch in a very short amount of time.
I think Jason's voice is nasal, and pinched and thin in comparison to Hadley's. I think range has nothing to do with voice quality. Just because he can hit "high C's" with ease doesn't make a pleasure to listen to. I know many a tenor that can hit a high c with ease...does that mean that they are good singers? i don't think that logically makes sense.
all I am stating is my opinion. and mine is that Hadley fraser has a gorgeous vocal instrument. Not the best actor in the world, but his clarity and control, and power, and pitch, and the ease with wich he sings is stunning to me. I think Jason is fine. I just think Hadley is in a different league.

[EponineThenardier]

Posted: 4/26/07 at 2:57pm

fairygodmother, did he play Judas in JCS? Or was it just a concert with the title number in the show? I found a picture of (what I think) is the performance you're talking of.

[bjh2114]

Posted: 4/26/07 at 3:13pm

massofmen, I don't know what it is that you are hearing that makes you think Jason's voice is "nasal and pinched". It's quite the opposite. Jason has a very open voice, barely ever singing from his head and throat. He sings from his chest creating a very rich sound. And I am not saying Jason is in a league above Hadley, I am just saying that there is no way in HELL Hadley is in a league above Jason. Also, John Rait was a special case, who could sing up until he died. Most men don't have that ability, so jazzy's point made perfect sense.

[massofmen]

Posted: 4/26/07 at 5:43pm

so you are saying that a man who is 45 will have a less powerful voice than a guy at 26? Cause i think the entire opera world will disagree with you. And probably most voice teachers.

[bjh2114]

Posted: 4/26/07 at 5:51pm

so you are saying that a man who is 45 will have a less powerful voice than a guy at 26? Cause i think the entire opera world will disagree with you. And probably most voice teachers.

No, in fact I am not saying that at all. I am saying that a man's voice is at its prime when he is in his 20s. That's not to say that men can't sing as soon as they turn 30. But it is a scientific fact that a man's voice is at its fullest in his 20s. As for opera, that's a completely different topic altogether.

[massofmen]

Posted: 4/26/07 at 11:38pm

a scientific fact? oh this is getting good. Find me that info. I can't wait to read it. seriously. I wanna see it.
and how is opera a completely differnt issue? Funny how opera's wait until people are in their 30's to give them really big and amazing roles. I am sure its because they are past their vocal prime according to you.

[massofmen]

Posted: 4/26/07 at 11:42pm

"Moreschi was only in his forties when he made his recordings; many classical singers would regard this as their vocal prime."
-wilkepedia
huh? odd. kinda goes against your "scientific information"..

[massofmen]

Posted: 4/26/07 at 11:47pm

"I think we all know that Ponselle is simply the greatest singer of us all." See what other critics and other renowned personalities have said of Mme Ponselle. In 1937, at age 40, shortly following her marriage to Baltimorean Carle A. Jackson, at the height of her career and in her vocal prime, (as all of her critical reviews and recordings of the period document)"
-Legendary Operatic Diva, Rosa Ponselle

I could do this all day....

"A woman’s voice will continue to mature until they are forty years old establishing their signature sound in their vocal prime. That's a lot of changing and readjusting to your voice and vocal technique in the span of a voice over career."
-voices.com 3/13/2007

i think I have proved my point.

[EponineThenardier]

Posted: 4/26/07 at 11:50pm

I bet if Hadley's reading this, he's cracking up.

[bjh2114]

Posted: 4/27/07 at 3:35am

Mass, you are completely missing the point. If you would pull your head out from the black hole that it is in for one second, you would understand what I am saying. I am not disagreeing with you that people in opera get bigger roles once they are past their 30s. We are talking about musical theatre voices here. It's a completely different ballgame. But, people who do opera train specifically for opera. Training for opera takes years and years and years. People don't come into their full operatic voices until they have more experience later in life.

Also, in your last posting, you cited a blurb about a woman. And that is true, a woman's vocal prime is considered to be later in life (40's according to your little article).

As for the part that says "many classical singers would regard this as their vocal prime." in referance to a man and it's from "-wilkepedia"??? WILKEPEDIA? First, wikipedia is not the source to go by as much of it is opinion. And if you are going to use it, at least spell it right. It even says in the statement "many classical singers would regard", not "it is a widely accepted fact". The "prime" here that they are referring to is the richness and development of the voice, whereas the "prime" I am talking about is the vocal quality. After a man's 20s, even if his voice becomes more rich, he starts to lose his control over his voice bit by bit. These are very different things, and if you ever took a vocal instruction class or a technique masterclass you would know that this is true. So before you go citing any more irrelevant sources, brush up on your technique first.
Updated On: 4/27/07 at 03:35 AM

[massofmen]

Posted: 4/27/07 at 10:08am

still waiting for your "scientific evidience". At least I brought some psuedo credible sources to the table for discussion. All I see from you is ideas from the "black hole" that your brain lives in.
so...your scientific evidence....tick...tock....

[sidjones09]

Posted: 4/27/07 at 10:18am

A mature man's voice doesn't completely settle until somewhere around his mid 30's. You can thank my college Vocal Pedagogy classes for that info. But I will provide you a link when I find one.

[bjh2114]

Posted: 4/27/07 at 10:44am

""Moreschi was only in his forties when he made his recordings; many classical singers would regard this as their vocal prime."
-wilkepedia
huh? odd. kinda goes against your "scientific information"... i think I have proved my point."

Oh, and just to point out, this has nothing to do with our argument, but I just want to show you why wikipedia is not that credible of a source in matters like this. The full sentence, which you did not post, is "Critical opinion is divided about Moreschi's recordings: some say they are of little interest other than the novelty of preserving the voice of a castrato, and that Moreschi was a mediocre singer, while others detect the remains of a talented singer unfortunately past his prime by the time he recorded. (Moreschi was only in his forties when he made his recordings; many classical singers would regard this as their vocal prime." So, while some people regarded 40 as a man's vocal prime, some people also thought he was WAY past his prime. So it's all a matter of opinion. Also, he was a castrato singer, which again is a different story. If you are going to cite things, do not cite them out of context of the argument at hand. So no, I don't think you have "proved" your point, or, as some native English speakers would say, "proven" your point. It's amazing to me that people think they know about everything on the face of the planet when they don't even know how to speak their own language.

[sidjones09]

Posted: 4/27/07 at 11:20am

Taken from thefreedictionary.com:

Usage Note: Prove has two past participles: proved and proven. Proved is the older form. Proven is a variant. The Middle English spellings of prove included preven, a form that died out in England but survived in Scotland, and the past participle proven, a form that probably rose by analogy with verbs like weave, woven and cleave, cloven. Proven was originally used in Scottish legal contexts, such as The jury ruled that the charges were not proven. In the 20th century, proven has made inroads into the territory once dominated by proved, so that now the two forms compete on equal footing as participles. However, when used as an adjective before a noun, proven is now the more common word: a proven talent.

Take a deep breath and relax bjh

Updated On: 4/27/07 at 11:20 AM

[bjh2114]

Posted: 4/27/07 at 11:37am

Hmm...interesting. Thanks for that sid.

[sidjones09]

Posted: 4/27/07 at 11:45am

Here's a link on the age debate too. Don't know how reliable the source is, but it's kind of in line with what I remember from Ped. class.

http://www.geocities.com/misha345/MiscInfo.html

I guess we were both kind of right there too. Although I would consider Fraser a 'bigger' voice. Which means his voice is probably still going through slight changes over the next several years.

Updated On: 4/27/07 at 11:45 AM

[fairygodmother]

Posted: 4/27/07 at 6:13pm

in answer to the question, it was in a xmas concert at college, and he was just singing the title number. and if that photo in your avatar was it, then no, no that wasn't the concert. it was a v low key affair!

[leanansiedhe]

Posted: 3/24/21 at 11:15am

Hi guys!
I know, this topic is ancient, but may be someone knows, is Pirate Queen somewhere available to view? Digitally, I mean. IDK if that old record exists...

[henrikegerman]

Posted: 3/25/21 at 9:56am

Don't know Mr. Fraser, but I'm in thrall of Ross Lekites's vocals as Charlie's in Brigadoon at Encores.  No one has ever sung "Come to Me, Bend to Me' like him and I doubt no one ever will.