#1
Posted: 11/4/05 at 2:13pm
I was wondering: Which are the biggest flops in history of musicals? And which of these could have a revival and would be better, in your opinion?
#2
Posted: 11/4/05 at 2:16pm
Drat, the Cat would be amazing as a revival if they went with the camp factor and it had some star power.
Actually, I was talking to someone about it and when I mentioned the song "She Touched Me," my friend recognized it as a Babs song (since she was the composer's wife)....
Actually, I was talking to someone about it and when I mentioned the song "She Touched Me," my friend recognized it as a Babs song (since she was the composer's wife)....
#5
Posted: 11/4/05 at 2:22pm
"Into the Light" has to be up there. It was the most expensive musical ever produced at the time ($8 million dollars, I believe, and that was in 1986). It ran for 13 previews and 6 performances.
I actually saw it. It was a musical that revolved around the Shroud of Turin. Most of the cost was due to laser lighting effects that had "never been done before." It starred Dean Jones, who was damn good in it.
I thought the show was fascinating and well done.
EDIT: I think if it were revived today it would do much better and people would take to it well... Mostly due to our fascination with Da Vinci Code and other similar subjects being "hot" right now. I remember literally being on the edge of my seat during the show. It was very intense.
I assume you mean biggest financial disaster when you say "flop," since hits and flops are box office lingo.
I actually saw it. It was a musical that revolved around the Shroud of Turin. Most of the cost was due to laser lighting effects that had "never been done before." It starred Dean Jones, who was damn good in it.
I thought the show was fascinating and well done.
EDIT: I think if it were revived today it would do much better and people would take to it well... Mostly due to our fascination with Da Vinci Code and other similar subjects being "hot" right now. I remember literally being on the edge of my seat during the show. It was very intense.
I assume you mean biggest financial disaster when you say "flop," since hits and flops are box office lingo.
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Updated On: 11/4/05 at 02:22 PM
#6
Posted: 11/4/05 at 2:24pm
Hey! I loooove "She touched me"... Actually HE touched me performed by Heather Headley, it's a beautiful song!
#7
Posted: 11/4/05 at 2:25pm
Well, it was originally recorded by Babs as "He Touched Me"
But yeah, good stuff!
DRAT, the CAT: THE MUSICAL REVIVAL
Featuring the hit song "He Touched Me"
But yeah, good stuff!
DRAT, the CAT: THE MUSICAL REVIVAL
Featuring the hit song "He Touched Me"
Updated On: 11/4/05 at 02:25 PM
#8
Posted: 11/4/05 at 2:26pm
Chitty Chitty Bang Bang definitely isn't one of the biggest flops. It's going to run for 8 months, that's not that bad when compared with all other shows opening on Broadway.
But Lennon is probably a new edition.
But Lennon is probably a new edition.
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Wanting life but never knowing how
#9
Posted: 11/4/05 at 2:28pm
Carrie lost close to 8 million in '88. Although it is known as a huge flop, others, I believe have surpassed it's floppiness.
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#10
Posted: 11/4/05 at 2:29pm
Well, doodle - are you talking about financially? And are you taking into account inflation?
#11
Posted: 11/4/05 at 2:31pm
DANCE OF THE VAMPIRES has the potential to be even more amazing than i already think it is. if it was revived and altered a bit. wow. i can't even think about how awesome it would be.
#12
Posted: 11/4/05 at 2:33pm
Remember flop is a financial term, not an artistic one (and the length of the run has NOTHING to do with anything).
CHITTY will close having lost its entire $15 million investment, making it one of the biggest flops in the history of Broadway.
CHITTY will close having lost its entire $15 million investment, making it one of the biggest flops in the history of Broadway.
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#13
Posted: 11/4/05 at 2:34pm
How do you think "Into the Light" would translate in today's dollars (from 1986 dollars)? $8 million, total loss.
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#14
Posted: 11/4/05 at 2:35pm
just stating that when it closed it lost $8 million, but that others likely lost more (taking inflation into account)...but that it is still considered the standard to hold flops up to.
"Not Since Carrie"
But flops have a few criteria, financial, artisitic, etc.
"Not Since Carrie"
But flops have a few criteria, financial, artisitic, etc.
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#15
Posted: 11/4/05 at 2:39pm
Actually, Margo is right. "Hits" and "flops" are purely money/financial terms.
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#16
Posted: 11/4/05 at 2:43pm
Since Flop is strictly a financial term, then wouldn't just about every musical opening and closing within the last 5 years or so (or even longer) be considered flops?
Isn't it nearly impossible for musicals to re-coup?
Isn't it nearly impossible for musicals to re-coup?
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#17
Posted: 11/4/05 at 2:45pm
Well, you could be a critical flop - those are the ones that I like...for whatever reason.
#18
Posted: 11/4/05 at 2:45pm
It is true...the term flop is financial.
This is discussed alot here, but what would be the biggest flop with inflation considered?
This is discussed alot here, but what would be the biggest flop with inflation considered?
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#19
Posted: 11/4/05 at 2:51pm
*Sorry, with inflation, Carrie lost over 12 million dollars.
#20
Posted: 11/4/05 at 2:54pm
Sounds like "Chitty" wins (so far).
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#22
Posted: 11/4/05 at 2:55pm
Well, considering Wicked recouped already, and IML did not even cost that much, Chitty wins!
#23
Posted: 11/4/05 at 2:56pm
I knew a thread on flops would bring out Margo (I love ya, gal!!!)
Justme2 - - There are quite a few shows in the last 5 years that have indeed re-couped --- Avenue Q, Hairspray, The Lion King, the Producers, Wicked to name just a few. And last I checked, they are still pulling in beacoup bucks.
Justme2 - - There are quite a few shows in the last 5 years that have indeed re-couped --- Avenue Q, Hairspray, The Lion King, the Producers, Wicked to name just a few. And last I checked, they are still pulling in beacoup bucks.
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#24
Posted: 11/4/05 at 3:03pm
Actually, I think Carrie (with its 12 mil loss) may remain the top...considering that Chitty is such a success on the West End...plus the movie, CD, and other paraphonalia - considering the prodcuers are the same - it would seem OVERALL - Chitty lost less than 15.
#25
Posted: 11/4/05 at 3:03pm
It definitely would cost that much (which is sick to think about)but havent others lost that much in recent years?
Speaking of older flops, what did Shogun lose? That was expensive!
Speaking of older flops, what did Shogun lose? That was expensive!
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