Broadway Grosses delayed? - Page 3

[SonofRobbieJ]

Posted: 9/26/25 at 3:57pm

Also...the performers on Broadway are (generally) at the very top of their field...like...in the world. I work in Big Law and deal with people who are acknowledged as some of the best in the world. And they make killer money. Is this an apples to apples comparison? Of course not. But it's just so f*cking wild to me that the first people being told (by some) that they have to take a pay cut and/or make concessions are some of the best stage performers in the world. And I'm not talking about the stars. I'm talking about the incredible ensemble members who wreck their bodies to make the producers money. The least they should make is a middle class wage. And that's what the current Equity minimum guarantees. If they work a full year. 

[Mike66]

Posted: 9/26/25 at 4:16pm

Can we PLEASE discuss the grosses and not national politics?  Or what you think of other posters' mental health?

It's hard enough to read the news without (it seems) every thread quickly become some combination of personal attack and/or national politics scree (on both sides).

 

How about we agree that threads that wish to make political points, or contain personal attacks be labeled -- sort of like -- "BROADWAY GROSSES -- personal attacks thread". or "BROADWAY GROSSES -- political opinions thread'.   That way those who want to read those and post commennts of that nature can find them easily, and the few(?) of us who would like to discuss theater and critic reviews and Broadway news wont need to scroll through dozens of other (more and more predictable) tangential comments.

 

Please consider it.  Thank you

[Kad]

Posted: 9/26/25 at 4:18pm

And, honestly, performers in Broadway musicals are being asked to do a lot more than they ever have been. Social media content creation, media and event appearances, rehearsals for swings and standbys and replacements- it is all work. It's not just rehearsal, tech, and then a show schedule. 

[BwayMusician]

Posted: 9/26/25 at 4:25pm

I've said this in other threads, but the cost of theater rentals needs to be thoroughly discussed at *least* when we're asking theater professionals to forgo cost of living increases and health insurance. 

The one time that a landlord shared it's financials a few years ago, it showed that they made a profit of $34mil on a $116mil revenue. 

"Broadway investors stand to lose about $200 million on the 2023-24 season’s flops. For Jujamcyn Theaters, the Broadway landlord, it was a different story.

Jujamcyn earned a profit of $34 million on revenue of $116 million in the year ending March 30, 2024. The disclosure, in a filing in the U.K. by Jujamcyn’s new parent, ATG Entertainment, is the first time in memory that a major commercial Broadway theater owner shared its financials."

https://broadwayjournal.com/jujamcyn-profit-revealed-in-rare-disclosure/

Can this please be a part of any discussion going forward? Why isn't it fair to ask ATG, Shubert, and the ilk to maybe make a bit less profit (like, could they survive with $20mil), but it's ok to ask the professionals who make the show to not have their families health insurance covered?

Or am I missing something here?

[Kad]

Posted: 9/26/25 at 4:43pm

The theater owners- and of the 41 current theaters, 33 are owned by just 3 organizations- will always come out ahead, and even tack "facility fees" on tickets that go straight to them on top of costs paid by the productions (to say nothing of the fact that Telecharge is owned by the Shuberts, which means productions that aren't even in one of their houses will be paying them, too, if they use the platform). The Broadway house always wins. 

Updated On: 9/26/25 at 04:43 PM

[binau]

Posted: 9/27/25 at 3:23am

MemorableUserName said: "Jarethan said: "First, Binau seems to me to be one of the more consistently pleasant posters on this board. Because Binau is suggesting that some pragmatism is required, does not make Binau a right-wing conservative...just a pragmatist.


Binau has spent the past yearscreeching about cancel culture, evil libruls, helpless martyr Ch**lie K*rk, the intolerant left, and other right-wing causes. They are very much a right-wing conservative, and if you find them consistently pleasant you must not be familiar with their work(though much of it was in threads that were either deleted or bumped to the Off-topic board)."

I’ve been here for almost 20 years there is no need to pretend it’s just the ‘last year’, I have had concerns with the ideological behaviour of people in the Broadway community and this forum for at least 6 years. I’m not signing up to this cultish cancel culture behaviour around Patti or Great comet or Nicole, I’m not going to support political violence, and if there is no money I’m also not going to naively pretend the costs can just keep going up without a way to offset it. I don’t think this makes me a ‘right wing conservative’, I think it just makes me reasonable and not wanting to accept terrible ideas. However, I fully accept as this is what people do these days if you can’t take any criticism, if it’s be this far left stubborn mindset or be considered ‘right wing’ I’ll be whatever you call me I don’t care. You have to accept this. Not everyone is going to think the same way as you. Not everyone needs to think the same way as you.

I just ask that if people are too lazy, too emotional or unwilling to actually engage in a discussion about ideas you disagree with then just ignore me instead of going down this unpleasant, hysterical campaign of trying to smeer, insult and shutdown which I think you do because you don’t have the capability to do anything else. 

Updated On: 9/27/25 at 03:23 AM

[kdogg36]

Posted: 9/27/25 at 6:08am

As I've said elsewhere, I strongly disagree that binau should be put in the same category as right-wing conspiracy theorists like Seb and Boris. And I agree with binau that the questions they asked about Broadway finances are quite reasonable and not anti-worker. (By the way, it seems like we're in agreement that theater rental is the cost that could be cut without unduly hurting anyone - now, what to do about that?)

What I do think can be fairly said of binau is that their constant lecturing is borderline trolling. They've made the same basic point, using the same basic words, many times in the past year or so (I wouldn't be surprised if that figure was in the triple digits). While I value binau's contributions, I do wish they'd give that a rest.

[SteveSanders]

Posted: 9/27/25 at 8:14am

^ 100%

I can't speak for others, but I could do without ever again reading the "you know this is why Trump got elected" comment and others in the same vein.

Updated On: 9/27/25 at 08:14 AM

[Huss417]

Posted: 9/27/25 at 9:03am

binau said: "
I just ask that if people are too lazy, too emotional or unwilling to actually engage in a discussion about ideas you disagree with then just ignore me instead of going down this unpleasant, hysterical campaign of trying to smeer, insult and shutdown which I think you do because you don’t have the capability to do anything else."

I have tried to ignore you but unfortunately you continue to post.

[MemorableUserName]

Posted: 9/27/25 at 9:52am

Mike66 said: "Can we PLEASE discuss the grosses and not national politics? Or what you think of other posters' mental health?

It's hard enough to read the news without (it seems) every thread quickly become some combination of personal attack and/or national politics scree (on both sides).

How about we agree that threads that wish to make political points, or contain personal attacks be labeled -- sort of like -- "BROADWAY GROSSES -- personal attacks thread". or "BROADWAY GROSSES -- political opinions thread'. That way those who want to read those and post commennts of that nature can find them easily, and the few(?) of us who would like to discuss theater and critic reviews and Broadway news wont need to scroll through dozens of other (more and more predictable) tangential comments.

Please consider it. Thank you"

Unfortunately, any discussion of the economics of Broadway (or any economics really) will be inherently political. If you just want numbers, there's a page for that, but once people begin discussing the struggles of shows and of the industry as a whole, which are natural extensions of those numbers, then compensation, landlords, unions, worker exploitation, resources, income inequality, etc. are all going to come into play. Politics are inevitable.

[BJR]

Posted: 9/27/25 at 11:14am

Kad said: "The theater owners- and of the 41 current theaters, 33 are owned by just 3 organizations- will always come out ahead, and even tack"facility fees"on tickets that go straight to them on top of costs paid by the productions (to say nothing of the fact that Telecharge is owned by the Shuberts, which means productions that aren't even in one of their houses will be paying them, too, if they use the platform). The Broadway house always wins."

This, 

The rules of finance, whoever is closest to the money (producers) and whoever owns the property (theatre owners) will make the most. 

[MichelleCraig]

Posted: 9/27/25 at 12:28pm

Rob,

Will the Broadway grosses no longer be posted in the Broadway Chat?