Broadway Grosses delayed? — Page 2

binau said: "‘Worth’ according to whom?"

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merle57 said: "Thank you for the explanation.

I wish the moderators of the website or the Broadway league had released that information about a three day delay in advance. Surprising in some respects since the shows keep running despite the Jewish holiday. Ah, well, a bit of New York cultural tradition. That's why we love New York theatre."

Shows keep running despite Christmas too. What’s your point?

EDSOSLO858 said: "They're finally out on the League's website!

Rob should chime in here any minute.

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They're not showing up correctly

Cabaret didn’t end on a high note. I’m happy to see Moulin Rogue making over a million bucks again. Godot is doing well

Deadline: https://deadline.com/2025/09/broadway-box-office-godot-keanu-reeves-alex-winter-1236553254/

The grosses thread along with a few others won't open for me on any of my devices.

A friend’s husband turned down the opportunity to invest in the Broadway transfer of Oh Mary, a decision I assume he has come to deeply regret.

Ensemble1698878795 said: "binau said: "‘Worth’ according to whom?"

Are you just a A-hole or that dense? Worth to the actors who slaved their voices and bodies 8 shows a week to give you something to talk about on this board."

You think they are only the two options? That there could not POSSIBLY be any other discussion? I can elaborate for you if need be (surprised it was so trigging).

You made the claim that Broadway actors are 'underpaid'. Now, they very well could be. However, In the context of Broadway right now, which is a failing industry because of the very high costs (as we recently discussed from that NYTimes article), if someone is to make the claim they are 'underpaid' and should be paid more I think it is not unreasonable that there is a clear explanation of how you have come to this conclusion.

There is as a general rule, no more money to share*. And NYC theatre actors are the highest paid theatre actors in the world - to the envy of many including London actors .

* I agree with suggestions here that we almost need to separate to cash cow enterprises such as Hamilton and Wicked from the new show startups. There is probably more money to share with these cash cows, but no money to share for most shows.

So I'm simply asking if you are suggesting that Actors are not being paid their 'worth', who is determining this and how? For example, is it that actors who are bringing in box office not being fairly rewarded for this? (unlikely because star salaries exist for this reason).

Is it the case that unlike other kinds of workforces on Broadway actor median salaries are particularly low?

Is it the general sentiment of the actors themselves being underpaid, how have they also come to this conclusion? (e.g. is it that they can get paid more doing non-Broadway theatre acting so clearly their market value is higher).

Is there anything feeding into this besides a general desire everyone has to get paid more?

I would also ask a couple follow up question, do you think there is a risk that if we continue to increase the costs to mount and run a Broadway show that this might continue to make things even harder, meaning less longevity of jobs?

Are there any other workforces on Broadway that are also underpaid or is it just actors?

Are there any groups that are overpaid and could ever reasonably reduce their pay, if so whom? Are there roles type or volume (e.g. backstage) on Broadway that we don't need? Is there any way to offset increases in costs?

How can we make sure that we can afford all of this so we don't destroy this industry?

At the same time I think you'd suggest that we, the public, should not pay even more money for theatre tickets which is the other obvious solution to this problem. Or are you personally willing to pay more? Do you personally buy full price tickets all the time to make sure shows have enough revenue to pay their staff and make a profit?

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“Is anyone at all surprised the increasingly (or just more openly) right-wing binau is now this anti-worker? That post was something Boris would have written.”

The only people surprised are users who joined this week.

GiantsInTheSky2 said: "“Is anyone at all surprised the increasingly (or just more openly) right-wing binau is now this anti-worker? That post was something Boris would have written.”

The only people surprised are users who joined this week."

Are you kidding?

First, Binau seems to me to be one of the more consistently pleasant posters on this board. Because Binau is suggesting that some pragmatism is required, does not make Binau a right-wing conservative...just a pragmatist.

Second: That NYT article, while not surprising, was sobering. Over the past 60 (ugh!) years, I have seen ticket prices for the best orchestra seats for a performance multiply literally by 50 times, literally 100 times for matinees (and even more for big stars and Leslie Odom Jr, specifically in Hamilton). While there are people who will happily pay those prices, more and more people are being priced out. With production costs and weekly nuts growing constantly, it appears that musicals have to run to pretty full houses for a couple of years at undiscounted prices to break-even. Sixty years ago, something was wrong if a hit show did not return its investment in 6 - 8 months.

I still don't understand why London can open a show like the recent Evita for 10 weeks and actually make a little money. I think it would behoove some theatre group to get a better understanding of why that is the case, as way of understanding what NY can possibly do to manage costs more effectively. There will likely be no silver bullets, but there may be some hard realities (I personally believe that some of the unions are out of control -- how can a three character play with limited / no scenery cause millions of dollars to produce?).

I can here people saying 'get over it, old man', but the point of the NYT article is that we may be reaching a breaking point where people are not going to be willing to invest because the probability of losing everything is higher than ever. (Note: it was not a lot rosier decades ago...just a lot less money was involved, even fully adjusting for inflation.

Jarethan said: "First, Binau seems to me to be one of the more consistently pleasant posters on this board. Because Binau is suggesting that some pragmatism is required, does not make Binau a right-wing conservative...just a pragmatist.


Binau has spent the past year screeching about cancel culture, evil libruls, helpless martyr Ch**lie K*rk, the intolerant left, and other right-wing causes. They are very much a right-wing conservative, and if you find them consistently pleasant you must not be familiar with their work (though much of it was in threads that were either deleted or bumped to the Off-topic board).

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SteveSanders said: "I feel like info on London theatre finances has appeared in threads from time to time.

If I recall correctly, it comes down to the basics of lower overall costs: healthcare, salaries, rents, production expenses, and of course, public funding for some theaters."

Very much this. The average rent for an apartment in London appears to currently be a little over $2100 in USD. The average cost of a studio apartment in NYC is currently estimated around $3275. Multiply x40 as the standard, and that gives you 131k they should be making to afford rent.

For those suggesting actors, musicians, etc take a pay cut - I'd challenge you to explain in what sense it is fair and just that people working at the absolute top level of their profession do not deserve to earn enough money to rent a simple studio apartment.

Updated On: 9/26/25 at 03:23 PM