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#2

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Shirley Bassey has enough clout to have asked him if she could change things. Sondheim didn't get rich by being stupid and if the Barbra Streisand album is any indication, he's kind enough to change the lyrics for a singer powerful enough to request such a thing.

Look at the way the words to the song were revised for Shirley MacLaine in Postcards from the Edge, and you'll see that, as long as he's given full credit, they're probably not breaking any copyright laws changing the lyrics.
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#6

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Well, if I just watched the correct clip, I'm going to have agree with BobbyBubby. They lyric changes at points don't make any sense, which would lead me to believe that Sondheim didn't pen them.

"Hey lady, aren't you what's her name?
Wow what a looker you were.
Or better yet, didn't you used to be what's her name?
Whatever happened to her?"


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#7

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Well, I think there is a case of composers giving permission to change lyrics and a case of a performer not knowing what they hell they are singing and making it up as they go along. I think Ms. Bassey had probably had some vino herself when she took on "I'm Still Here."

But Sondheim isn't territorial with his lyrics - he's allowed lots of changes for concerts etc. He doesn't care. He still gets paid.
#10

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I wasn't talking about the whoosis. I was talking about how the lyric is garbled. The third line is essentially the same as the first, making the "whatever happened to her?" that follows make no sense.


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#11

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As Pierce has pointed out, Sondheim allows his lyrics and music to be changed according to how much clout the person has. Someone of Shirley Bassey's stature wouldn't change the lyric without permission, because it would diminish her professional reputation.

Sondheim doesn't always make the right lyric changes. For example, in the Roundabout Follies, in I'm Still Here the lyric "I've been through Brenda Fraser" was changed to "I've been through Shirley Temple." IMO, this was a poor lyric change because Brenda Fraser had a different connotation than Shirley Temple.
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#12

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Did anyone catch when Cheno sang her own version of "What makes me love him" on Letterman about 2 weeks or so ago? It was sort of dumb and cute at the same time. (just like Cheno), but before she sang it, she said she hoped Sheldon Harnick would forgive her. I'm sure he wouldn't have a problem with it. After all, it generated ticket sales for the show.
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#13

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Gotham-
That was actually changed for the London production and left in. He changed it because most British audiences (And most of today's) would have NO idea who Brenda Fraser was, but they do recognize Shirley Temple.
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#16

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I've also so noticed several London recordings (not strictly Sondheim) that change lyrics that use "Jesus" or "Jesus Christ" as a pejorative. The Rink is the only one that immediately comes to mind, but I know there are others. I always thought that was odd, because I thought of England as being more secular than the US.
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#17

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"He changed it because most British audiences (And most of today's) would have NO idea who Brenda Fraser was, but they do recognize Shirley Temple."

While I understand that, it changes the dynamic of the song. If we were to put it in modern terminology, it would be "I've got through Paris Hilton" would be changed to "I've got through Dakota Fanning".

The point in using Frazier was that she was living a lavish lifestyle on an inheritance while other people were "stuffing dailies in their shoes".


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Updated On: 2/18/07 at 01:21 PM

#18

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"There's a lyric change in Company, but I believe it was with permission. However, I don't like it. And this post reminded me of it."

Was it changing "fag" to "drag" in You Could Drive a Person Crazy?

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#19

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I did a show once and Sondheim gave full permission to have lyrics change for any reason. Sondheim is one of the greatest and caring guys in the world. He really does not care if you change his lyrics, he is very giving in letting full permission to do so, you just have to run it buy him first and from what I heard he has never turned anyone away. He loves to try new things, no matter if it is good or bad, new is new and he likes that. If this person did not get permission then that is a different story and Sondheim is at an age I think that he is not going to care about little things like this...it is not going to ruin him. He is a great guy!
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