Evita National Tour - Don't Waste Your Time or Money- Page 3

[nycdncr]

Posted: 9/27/05 at 6:06pm

Di2,

The problem I have with people on this board is the way they constantly bash people. That's what I get angry about. Very few offer criticism, mainly hateful bashing of people. That's what upsets me most.

I was trying to explain to some people who may not be familiar with the intent of the choreography in the show, how the numbers were choreographed.

Really it doesn't bother me that much, because I still give my all everynight, and I still get a paycheck each week.

[Marguerite Chauvelin]

Posted: 9/27/05 at 7:21pm

I saw Evita's national tour, Kathy wasn't performing so I can't comment on her. CHE WAS AMAZING however, he did a great job. Phillip Hernendez was good as Peron. I really did like the show, and it was at least worth the price of the cloud seats I had.

[anfwesternboy]

Posted: 9/28/05 at 4:26am

Add me to the list of people who weren't impressed with this tour at all.

I think the assumption everybody has here is...

Hal Prince is infallible.

I think we have to get out of that mindset. The man makes mistakes too.

I could see where the direction may have been inspired, but it just wasn't performed by a very charismatic cast.

I just saw LES MIZ in Toronto, and it was an absolutely dull evening. Sure this is the same production and staging that opened 20 years ago. But the cast is not performing at the same level or quality as the original cast or subsequent casts that have made LES MIZ a much more engrossing and thrilling experience than what's currently on tour.

So... sure the EVITA tour may have Hal Prince's staging. But I think it's suffering from the same problem the current LES MIZ tour is suffering from: bad performances.

[Di2]

Posted: 9/28/05 at 10:44am

NYCDNR..

I know, cutie...Everyone (pretty much) on this board is a theatre wanna-be assh*le. They have no idea what they are talking about.

I have been dogged myself so many times on this and verbally attacked it's ridiculous. I can't believe I actually still post.

Kick it out every night and collect that paycheck.

I love Evita, it's a damn hard show and I would like to see some of these people try to do it 8 shows a week but they couldn't cause they wouldn't even get past the first cut of the audition nevertheless actually get cast.

You and I are lucky to be working actors..so screw them...

Have a wonderful day!

xoxo

D.

[best12bars]

Posted: 9/28/05 at 10:55am

As the saying goes, "Opinions are like a$$holes... everyone has one."

Glad you made it through the storm (both down south, and here on this board).

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[Di2]

Posted: 9/28/05 at 12:37pm

best12bars..

I agree..

Everyone has their own opinion but people don't have to be as nasty as they are on this board.

But anonymity can create such monsters. It's amazing what people will say from their computer but would never have the balls to say in real life. Aren't we such cowards.

[nycdncr]

Posted: 9/28/05 at 12:50pm

it's true. a good rule of thumb would be to read what you wrote and imagine reading it as if it were about you before you post.

[C is for Company]

Posted: 9/28/05 at 10:35pm

You are too lucky to perform a show with such beautiful music

[Auggie27]

Posted: 9/28/05 at 10:55pm

Saw the broadway original several times, and to be fair, the show's biggest problem, despite its exciting score (and it is exciting) is in its curious lack of dramatic action.

Much of the story of Eva is shoved in our faces by Che's narrative -- not dramatized through individual scenes, ones that might let us make up our minds about this odd heroine. Che tells us what she did wrong, how ego-centric she is, etc., and we never get to experience her rise by observing her actions. It's all pre-packaged by Che (even "Goodnight and thank you" basically makes her a cheap whore from the top -- not a great way to get inside this woman.) We need to learn more about Eva via Eva -- not Che. But that material isn't in the text. Che is omnicient, and that cold, "Brechtian" approach may make for a strong political point of view, but it strips the story of much of its drama. This was painfully obvious in the film, when Madonna's Eva seemed to be less of a presence in every sequence, not more of one. It's a strange show -- so many wonderful tunes, a great subject, and seemingly a great role -- but a hollow, undramatized center.

[DAME]

Posted: 9/29/05 at 1:40am

Di2,
You are assuming that all of us are actors. I am not. I am a audience member. You know.. the ones that spend their hard earned money to hopefully see something good. This production was mediocre and it pissed me off. If people are going to mount garbage than I am going to make sure that anyone I can reach knows it is garbage so that they don't waist their money or time just like I did. It also pained me because I love this show and took people who had never seen it.. and they were bored.

I don't care how hard Evita is to do. In the end all that matters is what is up there on stage.. and what is up there sucks.

[nycdncr]

Posted: 9/29/05 at 9:35am

Or in a more appropriately written fashion:

"Di2,
You are assuming that all of us are actors. I am not. I am a audience member. You know.. the ones that spend their hard earned money to hopefully see something good. [In my opinion,] This production was mediocre and it pissed me off. [I feel that] If people are going to mount garbage than I am going to make sure that anyone I can reach knows it is garbage so that they don't waist their money or time just like I did. It also pained me because I love this show and took people who had never seen it.. and they were bored.

I don't care how hard Evita is to do. In the end all that matters is what is up there on stage.. and [I think] what is up there sucks."

[nycdncr]

Posted: 9/29/05 at 9:38am

It is funny to see the division of opinions on this show. Everywhere we go, people either love it or hate it, but our audiences always stand up and cheer at the end of the show. So Dame....not everyone feels the way you do about our garbage.

[theaternut]

Posted: 9/29/05 at 9:53am

When I saw this production no one was standing and cheering. They only stood to leave. There were 6 of us in our party. Tickets were about $90.00 a peice. After spending close to $600.00 in tickets to see this highschool level ( at best) production you have to forgive me for feeling a little bitter when you keep bashing people for not liking the show. Perhaps you are a little too close to the production since you are in it to really have a bias opinion. Maybe you should stop bumping the thread up and let it go so you don't have to keep reading how bad your show really is.

[nycdncr]

Posted: 9/29/05 at 9:56am

oh come on.....high school? gimme a break.

[theaternut]

Posted: 9/29/05 at 10:09am

Ok. High school is too harsh. You just irritated me . Thats all. Still; it was not very good and I felt cheated. Now you should just let this thread die. It can't be easy for you to be in this show and read this stuff.

[Di2]

Posted: 9/29/05 at 10:40am

wow..theatre nut..that is not nice at all..

whatever...y'all can say what you want but you all should be kind to this cast member.

I think Wicked and Hairspray are lame and ridiculous pieces of trash (and all of you OBSESSED by them are freaks) but I would never say such cruel things to a cast member's face (or their computer) as I wouldn't want to hurt their feelings..

Anyway, NYCRDNR..I love you and wish you all the best with your show!

Will you be coming to MD soon?? I am in Aida in MD and am excited to get back to NYC once my contract is over.

Di

[Unknown User]

Posted: 9/29/05 at 10:46am

Di2 - as Marc Shaiman participates on this board, you might want to rethink your willingness not to say cruel things to an artist's face.

[nycdncr]

Posted: 9/29/05 at 10:47am

nope. i'm leaving the tour at the end of next week to start rehearsals for 'white christmas'.

the tour (evita) is coming to baltimore later this year though.

[Di2]

Posted: 9/29/05 at 11:23am

DGrant..

Dear Mr. Shaiman,

Your show is lame.

Sincerely,

Di

[Unknown User]

Posted: 9/29/05 at 11:33am

Di - if the point you're trying to make is that your standards and practices are equivocal, then it has been made loud and clear - and in writing no less.

It will definitely be kept in mind the next time you decide to smugly lecture the board about its treatment of other posters.

[robbiej]

Posted: 9/29/05 at 11:47am

Ya know, Auggie, I thought I was the only one who felt that way about EVITA.

God, what a dramatically inert show! Even seeing bits and pieces of Lupone on video, I'm struck that such a smart and nuanced actress could be reduced to posturing and vocal pyrotechnics...but that's the limitation of the role. The actress is given nothing to play!

[Di2]

Posted: 9/29/05 at 12:00pm

Dgrant...then don't trash my friend's show..

I might be smug but you, my friend, are a jerk.
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[jrb_actor]

Posted: 9/29/05 at 12:21pm

HOW was DGrant being a jerk for pointing out your hypocrisy that completely destroyed your own argument??

The bottom line is that if we are going to criticize shows or the artists that create or perform in them, we need to do it with respect--even if they don't post on BWW. Most comments do find their way back to people. And, we should be better than the usual internet trash talk. We should show our intelligence by posting respectful criticism.

[Di2]

Posted: 9/29/05 at 12:50pm

RESPECTFUL???

This board is far from respectful. You people are full of it..just a bunch of nasty bitter queens...

Amazing how when it gets dished back to you, you just can't take it.

[Unknown User]

Posted: 9/29/05 at 12:52pm

Di - I haven't seen EVITA - not this production, anyway - and haven't said one word about it.

Again, your hypocricy is noted.