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GLEE STAR SUED FOR ALLEGED SEXUAL BATTERY

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CarlosAlberto
#1GLEE STAR SUED FOR ALLEGED SEXUAL BATTERY
Posted: 1/19/13 at 8:57pm

A former girlfriend of "Glee" star Mark Salling is accusing the actor of sexual battery stemming from an incident in March 2011,
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SporkGoddess
#2GLEE STAR SUED FOR ALLEGED SEXUAL BATTERY
Posted: 1/20/13 at 10:45am

His statement is not making him look innocent, IMO.


Jimmy, what are you doing here in the middle of the night? It's almost 9 PM!

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dramamama611
#2GLEE STAR SUED FOR ALLEGED SEXUAL BATTERY
Posted: 1/20/13 at 10:56am

I don't see any statement from him -- what am I missing.

And while it may be true, I just smell $$$$$. (Of course, more details could change that, after all, there is very little to the linked article.)


If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it? These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.

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ucjrdude902
#3GLEE STAR SUED FOR ALLEGED SEXUAL BATTERY
Posted: 1/20/13 at 11:01am

Why is this: a. In all caps? and b. On the main board?

This is nothing but a bitter ex girlfriend.

SporkGoddess
#4GLEE STAR SUED FOR ALLEGED SEXUAL BATTERY
Posted: 1/20/13 at 11:05am

Sorry, didn't realize that the posted article must have been posted before his publicist released it:

http://omg.yahoo.com/blogs/celeb-news/mark-salling-no-truth-sexual-battery-lawsuit-024153281.html

"There is no truth to this," Salling's rep tells omg! in an exclusive statement. "It's the textbook case of a disgruntled girl looking to cash in on a TV star's success. We turn the rest over to Mark's attorneys and have no further comment."

That kind of reasoning is always used to discredit sexual assault victims, and it's very destructive.


Jimmy, what are you doing here in the middle of the night? It's almost 9 PM!
Updated On: 1/20/13 at 11:05 AM

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dramamama611
#5GLEE STAR SUED FOR ALLEGED SEXUAL BATTERY
Posted: 1/20/13 at 11:10am

I don't see how that statement makes him look bad. At all.


If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it? These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.

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ucjrdude902
#6GLEE STAR SUED FOR ALLEGED SEXUAL BATTERY
Posted: 1/20/13 at 11:11am

Yeah seems pretty standard public relations 101.

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CarlosAlberto
#7GLEE STAR SUED FOR ALLEGED SEXUAL BATTERY
Posted: 1/20/13 at 11:52am

To answer your questions:

a. I felt like it
and
b. I felt like it

Okay? Have a nice day.

jimmycurry01
#8GLEE STAR SUED FOR ALLEGED SEXUAL BATTERY
Posted: 1/20/13 at 3:21pm

When I see that someone is suing rather than pressing charges, I see a money making opportunity. If someone commits sexual battery against you, call the cops, press charges, see a medical specialist so you can prove the bastard did it, and have him locked up; don't just wait two years and then try to sue. Maybe I am wrong or being ignorant, but this seems like a common sense thing to me.

SporkGoddess
#9GLEE STAR SUED FOR ALLEGED SEXUAL BATTERY
Posted: 1/20/13 at 4:23pm

It'd be difficult for her to get a sexual assault charge seeing as how she originally consented and then withdrew consent. It's hard enough to get a rape charge without having the fact that you first consented. Plus, some states don't count that as sexual assault.


Jimmy, what are you doing here in the middle of the night? It's almost 9 PM!

AEA AGMA SM
#10GLEE STAR SUED FOR ALLEGED SEXUAL BATTERY
Posted: 1/20/13 at 4:27pm

According to the article linked by the OP she did file a police report when the incident first occurred. As to why she waited so long to file a court case I can not say.

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binau
#11GLEE STAR SUED FOR ALLEGED SEXUAL BATTERY
Posted: 1/20/13 at 4:39pm

Well maybe she liked him and wanted to be with him/wanted to protect his career, but didn't care about that after they broke up.


"You can't overrate Bernadette Peters. She is such a genius. There's a moment in "Too Many Mornings" and Bernadette doing 'I wore green the last time' - It's a voice that is just already given up - it is so sorrowful. Tragic. You can see from that moment the show is going to be headed into such dark territory and it hinges on this tiny throwaway moment of the voice." - Ben Brantley (2022) "Bernadette's whole, stunning performance [as Rose in Gypsy] galvanized the actors capable of letting loose with her. Bernadette's Rose did take its rightful place, but too late, and unseen by too many who should have seen it" Arthur Laurents (2009) "Sondheim's own favorite star performances? [Bernadette] Peters in ''Sunday in the Park,'' Lansbury in ''Sweeney Todd'' and ''obviously, Ethel was thrilling in 'Gypsy.'' Nytimes, 2000

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henrikegerman
#12GLEE STAR SUED FOR ALLEGED SEXUAL BATTERY
Posted: 1/21/13 at 11:19am

"That kind of reasoning is always used to discredit sexual assault victims, and it's very destructive."

I'm not sure what you mean by your apparent criticism of this reasoning as "destructive". Do you mean that it can be effective? Do you mean that it is harmful?

The facts are that it is a legitimate defense and it is sometimes the truth.
Not all people who complain of sexual assault are telling the truth, just as not all people who complain of anything are telling the truth. That's why there is a process for adjudicating a complaint.

Here, there is a complaint, there is a defense, and the outcome of the case will hopefully be determined in complete accordance with the law. None of us were there and none of us know the merits of the complaint. Or lack thereof.


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ErinDillyFan
#13GLEE STAR SUED FOR ALLEGED SEXUAL BATTERY
Posted: 1/21/13 at 1:22pm

AEA AGMA SM: Read the article again. She didn't make a police report, he did when she broke down his door. During the report, she may have made the claim to the police that responded (but that is not stated).

AEA AGMA SM
#14GLEE STAR SUED FOR ALLEGED SEXUAL BATTERY
Posted: 1/21/13 at 1:29pm

"Gorzela claims that Salling engaged in unprotected sex with her when she expressly communicated to him that he wear a condom while they were intimate. Following the alleged incident, Gorzela claims that she confronted Salling about his actions. At this point, she claims he pushed her to the floor causing injuries to her head and knees. A police report was filed on March 25, the day of the alleged attack."

I see nothing in there about Salling filing a report about this girl knocking down his door. I haven't dug too deeply into it, but the way this article is worded it leads me to believe that she filed the report after the incident in which she claims he pushed her to the floor. If there are further articles out there that state otherwise then I admit I have not seen them.

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#15GLEE STAR SUED FOR ALLEGED SEXUAL BATTERY
Posted: 1/21/13 at 1:32pm

why is this topic even here? geez. from RC in Austin, Texas


"Noel [Coward] and I were in Paris once. Adjoining rooms, of course. One night, I felt mischievous, so I knocked on Noel's door, and he asked, 'Who is it?' I lowered my voice and said 'Hotel detective. Have you got a gentleman in your room?' He answered, 'Just a minute, I'll ask him.'" (Beatrice Lillie)

SporkGoddess
#16GLEE STAR SUED FOR ALLEGED SEXUAL BATTERY
Posted: 1/21/13 at 2:34pm

I'm not sure what you mean by your apparent criticism of this reasoning as "destructive". Do you mean that it can be effective? Do you mean that it is harmful?

The facts are that it is a legitimate defense and it is sometimes the truth.
Not all people who complain of sexual assault are telling the truth, just as not all people who complain of anything are telling the truth. That's why there is a process for adjudicating a complaint.


It's harmful because the idea that the victim is probably lying is a known rape myth (one of the many ways through which our society is able to deny, legitimize, or minimize sexual assault). The fact that sometimes people lie about sexual assault is often used to discredit victims. Furthermore, a very small percentage of sexual assault reports are false (9-11%) and in fact rapes are estimated to be under-reported if anything. His publicist could have stated his innocence without perpetuating this very harmful rape myth. Maybe she is lying, but spreading the idea that there are scores of women just out to get money by crying sexual assault/battery is offensive and not supported by research.

I tend to fall on the side of "believe the victim" though--it's my bias as someone who researches and works with sexual assault victims. Also, I have a hard time believing that a woman would put herself through the trauma of a court case in which she is called a liar, a whore, crazy, etc, and often ostracized by friends, family, and neighbors, just because she wanted money or regretted having sex.








Jimmy, what are you doing here in the middle of the night? It's almost 9 PM!
Updated On: 1/21/13 at 02:34 PM

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dramamama611
#17GLEE STAR SUED FOR ALLEGED SEXUAL BATTERY
Posted: 1/21/13 at 3:18pm

Under MOST circumstances, I'm totally with you, Sporky. And I'm willing to wait to hear what else we hear. This just sounds (from what little is in the article) to be suspect.


And is having unprotected sex sexual battery? (I'm asking, I really don't know.)


If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it? These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.

SporkGoddess
#18GLEE STAR SUED FOR ALLEGED SEXUAL BATTERY
Posted: 1/21/13 at 5:26pm

I think the issue is more that she consented to sex under the condition that he wear a condom, and he had sex with her without wearing one. He violated the condition of consent, so consent was revoked.


Jimmy, what are you doing here in the middle of the night? It's almost 9 PM!
Updated On: 1/21/13 at 05:26 PM

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henrikegerman
#19GLEE STAR SUED FOR ALLEGED SEXUAL BATTERY
Posted: 1/21/13 at 5:32pm

But Sporkgodess, the response by a person accused of sexual battery that the complainant is not telling the truth is to be expected, just as the response by a person accused of ANYTHING in court that the complainant is not telling the truth. One can't expect people accused of sexual misconduct to admit their guilt as a matter of course.

On top of which, she may not be telling the truth.

Of course the idea that the victim is probably lying - without examining the facts in question - is reprehensible.
But an equally damaging notion is that the victim is always telling the truth because why would anyone put herself (or himself) through such a thing if it weren't true.

The fact is that completely fabricated accusations may well be far less common than true complaints, but they do happen. This is true whether the accusation is rape or anything else. People lie for a variety of reasons whether it's about a robbery, an assault or a sexual violation. It happens. (here, of course, we are discussing fabricated complaints against a specific defendant, not the issue of a victim wrongly or unreliably identifying the defendant as the wrongdoer, which certainly doesn't apply to this instance as the parties are known to each other).

What I object is to kneejerk and wholesale rejection of a complete fabrication defense on the grounds of a prejudice that it could never be true. Or because it so rarely happens that it can be dismissed outright. It can be true. Fabricated rape complaints have happened. If it rarely happens, that in no way changes the fact that every case must be examined on its merits.

We have come from a culture that revictimizes rape complainants to one in which many take what rape complainants say as true just by the very virtue of it being a rape complaint.

Both positions are unjust and shortsighted.







Updated On: 1/21/13 at 05:32 PM

SporkGoddess
#20GLEE STAR SUED FOR ALLEGED SEXUAL BATTERY
Posted: 1/21/13 at 5:59pm

Well, I didn't mean to say that I know for sure she isn't lying--I just didn't think that statement convinced me of his innocence.


Jimmy, what are you doing here in the middle of the night? It's almost 9 PM!

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henrikegerman
#21GLEE STAR SUED FOR ALLEGED SEXUAL BATTERY
Posted: 1/21/13 at 6:19pm

I agree with you completely that there is no reason to find his statement particularly persuasive.

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dramamama611
#22GLEE STAR SUED FOR ALLEGED SEXUAL BATTERY
Posted: 1/21/13 at 6:25pm

I can't imagine any single statement would do that, however. Especially one he does not make personally.


If we're not having fun, then why are we doing it? These are DISCUSSION boards, not mutual admiration boards. Discussion only occurs when we are willing to hear what others are thinking, regardless of whether it is alignment to our own thoughts.

SporkGoddess
#23GLEE STAR SUED FOR ALLEGED SEXUAL BATTERY
Posted: 1/21/13 at 6:50pm

I dunno, something about how he'd never do that to a woman instead of just calling her a liar. But you're right in that he might not have had a hand in writing the statement.


Jimmy, what are you doing here in the middle of the night? It's almost 9 PM!

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henrikegerman
#24GLEE STAR SUED FOR ALLEGED SEXUAL BATTERY
Posted: 1/21/13 at 9:50pm

":I can't imagine any single statement would do that, however. Especially one he does not make personally. "

True.


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