Hedwig closing Sept. 13- Page 7

[Jane2]

Posted: 8/20/15 at 10:40am

"I can't believe how much I'm agreeing with Namo."

 

It's a shame you feel the need to be snarky about a wonderful show with a huge following who not only love it but have found a community within. Everything about the show is/was good for those who love it so much. 

It's a shame you don't see that it has NOTHING to do with feeling better than anyone else. You two are totally    off about this. 

It's a shame you can't relate to the passion and realize passion is within yourself and oblivious to anyone else. 

Really.

Updated On: 8/20/15 at 10:40 AM

[LizzieCurry]

Posted: 8/20/15 at 10:50am

I'm not being snarky about a show. I'm being snarky about people who choose to bond over shared memories of a show and condescendingly exclude those who aren't a part of that. It's applied here ever since JCM took over. And it happens at a lot of other shows, too. Even if it's not intentional. 

"Oh, it's really too bad you never saw [OBC person] in a role, you'll never know..."

You know what? That's all water under the bridge. There are kids who love Wicked, whose lives were changed by Wicked, who never saw Idina. There are people who love Phantom who never saw Michael Crawford and people who love Hedwig but never saw JCM (in either incarnation), and that's fine. 

[dramamama611]

Posted: 8/20/15 at 10:53am

[RussT2]

Posted: 8/20/15 at 10:55am

FindingNamo said: "To be honest, the show is so loud you simply can't hear "the tourists" (without whom the show would have closed even earlier and perhaps even with one of the stars you're not ganging up on) unwrapping their candies.  There's a community of sorts that forms in every audience.  It seems that what a lot of people most cherish in this case is being insiders in a community of outsiders.  Thank god you still have tourists to feel better than."

 

I truly hope that your cattiness in the above comment is not a reflection of your actual real life personality.

 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/20/15 at 11:01am

The cattiness you're reading is entirely your own projection.

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 8/20/15 at 11:08am

I truly hope that your cattiness in the above comment is not a reflection of your actual real life personality.

 

It is, sadly... but pay him no attention. He is a depressed, oppressed, over-the-hill queen who has no love life, no friends and no family. He spends more time on here than the real world and obsesses over a society that he cannot change just by refusing to sit on non-diverse panels. 

Updated On: 8/20/15 at 11:08 AM

[Jane2]

Posted: 8/20/15 at 11:16am

"I'm not being snarky about a show. I'm being snarky about people who choose to bond over shared memories of a show and condescendingly exclude those who aren't a part of that."

 

I know it's not about a show. I wish it were. You have made a mistake in your thinking that people who love the show feel better than others. My connection to the show is personal, as I'm sure the others in the "cult" will say. We are oblivious to others in the audience. We are in our own world with Hedwig, and enjoying every minute of it. 

 

Same with Rocky Horror. I'm glad I was in both cults.

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 8/20/15 at 11:18am

We are oblivious to others in the audience. We are in our own world with Hedwig, and enjoying every minute of it. 

 

You know that's how the Jonestown Massacre happened, right? All this talk of a "cult" is eerily unsettling to me. A show is a show... There's no need to overthink or over-idealize it. 

[Kad]

Posted: 8/20/15 at 11:20am

The only thing unsettling here is you, and your continued tactic of trying to dig up personal information about the people here who cross you.

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 8/20/15 at 11:24am

I wish you'd actually contribute to the conversations like you used to do on here. Sadly, it seems you have kind of devolved into this drive-by poster who only now posts some 'holier than thou' bullsh*t about posters you disagree with. Get a grip and get a life. 

[Jane2]

Posted: 8/20/15 at 11:24am

"You know that's how the Jonestown Massacre happened, right? All this talk of a "cult" is eerily unsettling to me. A show is a show... There's no need to overthink or over-idealize it. "

 

What's the temperature inside you, headache? At least you can keep cool in this heat wave.

Got up on the troll side of the bed today, eh?

 

 

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 8/20/15 at 11:26am

If a "troll" is someone who shows genuine concern about a musical being discussed in cult-like fashion, then so be it. Call me a troll. It's a musical, people. Not a way of life. 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/20/15 at 11:29am

Is this where you go after Chris Caggiano again, Liza's Headband, Super Genius?

[Jane2]

Posted: 8/20/15 at 11:32am

"If a "troll" is someone who shows genuine concern about a musical being discussed in cult-like fashion, then so be it."

No, a troll is someone who posts in order to stir up trouble. 

"Call me a troll. It's a musical, people. Not a way of life."

You don't understand the devotion some people have for a show and why they do. It's much deeper and more meaningful than what you imagine. I could explain it to you but I won't bother.

I'll just say that I've felt this way about Hedwig and Rocky Horror and I'm all the better for it.

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 8/20/15 at 11:33am

Are we truly "better" for being devoted to a piece of art? Was art meant to be praised and obsessed over? Or just appreciated and enjoyed? 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/20/15 at 11:37am

No, a troll is someone who posts in order to stir up trouble. 

 

BINGO Jane!  Nobody here needs the devil's advocacy, the "contrary by nature" self appointed consistency monitor behavior of the Headcase.  Don't call us, Headbanned, we'll call you.

[Jane2]

Posted: 8/20/15 at 11:40am

"Are we truly "better" for being devoted to a piece of art? Was art meant to be praised and obsessed over? Or just appreciated and enjoyed?" 

 

How can anyone answer that? Art is subjective and affects all people in different ways. Yes, art (visual, musical, written, danced, etc.) can affect and impact people intensely, whether it be positive or negative.

If you're a person who is not moved much by art, that's your cross to bear.

I'll answer your "are we truly better" phrase. I'm better for having been in the Hedwig and RHPS "cults" because in them I found communities made up of like minded and feeling people. I won't go any deeper, which I could articulate pretty well, but with you, I see a dead end.

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 8/20/15 at 11:43am

I found communities made up of like minded and feeling people.

 

Never be afraid of going against the grain, of open dialogue and debate, and of being challenged. Sometimes the best thing we can do is become part of a group that is far from "like minded." 

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/20/15 at 11:45am

But whatever you do, don't articulate what you do to challenge the status quo because trolls like the Headband will use your efforts against you, to mock you, because they aren't interested activism, they're interested in shaking their heads and saying everything's impossible.

 

[Jane2]

Posted: 8/20/15 at 11:46am

Correct, Namo

 

We're on different pages, Head.

[Jane2]

Posted: 8/20/15 at 11:51am

Head, this just popped into my mind which may or may not help you to understand. The reason why we like being with same minded and feeling people  is very much like why some gays enjoy each others' company.

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/20/15 at 12:02pm

I wasn't criticizing the desire to be among the like-minded.  What I didn't articulate very well, but what I was thinking about when I wrote what I wrote, was that here was a group of people who largely decided they didn't like what Taye Diggs was doing (because they saw a performance or were passing along word of mouth) so they publicly said they weren't going to see the show with him.  So even though they love the show so much, some of them are having major emotional episodes tied to the closing, they are blaming it on the person they won't go see and actually created an in-group/outgroup dynamic with the lead in the show they love more than life itself on the outside.

 

[haterobics]

Posted: 8/20/15 at 12:14pm

"Was art meant to be praised and obsessed over? Or just appreciated and enjoyed?"

 

The problem is the people doing the latter are perceived as doing the former by people not interested in the art in question.

[Jane2]

Posted: 8/20/15 at 12:19pm

Namo, what I inferred from that post was those of us in the "cult" are condescending to those who aren't. That couldn't be farther from the truth. 

 

As Hedwig said, "no need, none whatsoever."

[FindingNamo]

Posted: 8/20/15 at 12:19pm

By people who like to mess with the lives of real people and then plead " The internet is not reality!"