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In the next 10-15 years we will likely lose Liza, Patti, Betty Buckley and Bernadette
#25In the next 10-15 years we will likely lose Liza, Patti, Betty Buckley and Bernadette
Posted: 3/15/26 at 12:01pm
thank you, queenalice.
#26In the next 10-15 years we will likely lose Liza, Patti, Betty Buckley and Bernadette
Posted: 3/15/26 at 12:15pm
Mental illness alive and well.
JSquared2
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/23/17
#27In the next 10-15 years we will likely lose Liza, Patti, Betty Buckley and Bernadette
Posted: 3/15/26 at 1:38pm
Looking at the brighter side, we will also have “lost” (at least) 75% of the angry bitter old queens who are regulars on this board.
#28In the next 10-15 years we will likely lose Liza, Patti, Betty Buckley and Bernadette
Posted: 3/15/26 at 2:34pm
It sounds like what you want/need, and I hope this doesn't sound TOO flippant, is "Gay Blues Brothers." This sort of awareness of mortality and the end of an era was what drove John Belushi and Dan Aykroyd to invest their SNL money into making The Blues Brothers film, giving the aging generation of blues and soul legends a final moment in the spotlight (and then another in the sequel).
The divas are no longer what they once were, any more than Cab Calloway in the eighties was a match for his younger self in the thirties, but you can take comfort in the fact that they will always HAVE been what they were.
#29In the next 10-15 years we will likely lose Liza, Patti, Betty Buckley and Bernadette
Posted: 3/15/26 at 2:47pm
JSquared2 said: "Looking at the brighter side, we will also have“lost” (at least) 75% of the angry bitter old queens who are regulars on thisboard."
...yeah, looking forward to the deaths of members you dislike is ****ed up.
#30In the next 10-15 years we will likely lose Liza, Patti, Betty Buckley and Bernadette
Posted: 3/15/26 at 2:53pm
BroadwayNYC2 said: "Mental illness alive and well."
Using "mental illness" as a pejorative is the least okay thing about this thread.
Theatrefanboy1
Broadway Legend Joined: 8/2/15
#31In the next 10-15 years we will likely lose Liza, Patti, Betty Buckley and Bernadette
Posted: 3/15/26 at 3:15pm
Unfortunately, I think the industry has moved away from these "legacy" theatre performers and I don't see how it will recover that particular performer, thinking of a Merman, Lansbury, Lupone, Peters, Liza, Barbra.
I do see use getting a fuller Bodied career of Lea Michele or Sutton Foster.
However I feel that many of the stars now come from "belt" scores, which I wonder how someone would age in an industry where a voice that it known for pop belt, does age as well post 50. I would say Idina will not have the signature scores in her 70s and even with a very technical singer like Kristin, a soprano voice too ages out.
On top of that, I see so much of the imports from Hollywood coming in that I don't know the environment to develop a Broadway "diva" is longer there.
Kelley10
Chorus Member Joined: 5/24/17
#32In the next 10-15 years we will likely lose Liza, Patti, Betty Buckley and Bernadette
Posted: 3/15/26 at 9:37pm
How fun! Do it for men too.
#33In the next 10-15 years we will likely lose Liza, Patti, Betty Buckley and Bernadette
Posted: 3/15/26 at 10:18pm
Kelley10 said: "How fun! Do it for men too."
I mean, I'm gonna be 100% honest. Gays don't care about Men in this realm.
#34In the next 10-15 years we will likely lose Liza, Patti, Betty Buckley and Bernadette
Posted: 3/15/26 at 11:40pm
“Using "mental illness" as a pejorative is the least okay thing about this thread.”
Aww, anyway!
Zeppie2022
Broadway Legend Joined: 7/12/22
#35In the next 10-15 years we will likely lose Liza, Patti, Betty Buckley and Bernadette
Posted: 3/15/26 at 11:42pm
binau said: "How do we cope with this?"
By moving on with your life and appreciating the joy their performances gave you.
TheGingerBreadMan
Broadway Legend Joined: 12/7/12
#36In the next 10-15 years we will likely lose Liza, Patti, Betty Buckley and Bernadette
Posted: 3/16/26 at 12:54am
This is a really, really dumb thread.
QueenTwinnied
Broadway Star Joined: 6/16/17
#37In the next 10-15 years we will likely lose Liza, Patti, Betty Buckley and Bernadette
Posted: 3/16/26 at 1:02am
Binau really is bat**** crazy
pmensky
Broadway Star Joined: 7/18/11
#38In the next 10-15 years we will likely lose Liza, Patti, Betty Buckley and Bernadette
Posted: 3/16/26 at 1:22am
Disgusting thread. The moderators are also disgusting for allowing this.
#39In the next 10-15 years we will likely lose Liza, Patti, Betty Buckley and Bernadette
Posted: 3/16/26 at 1:39am
To get rid of it you just have to question whether Hugh is or isn’t!
#40In the next 10-15 years we will likely lose Liza, Patti, Betty Buckley and Bernadette
Posted: 3/16/26 at 2:11am
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#41In the next 10-15 years we will likely lose Liza, Patti, Betty Buckley and Bernadette
Posted: 3/16/26 at 3:08am
Kad said: "binau said: "Some of you really are insufferable, can you please just ignore or block me? I mean I'm happy to continue the fighting if this is how you want to do it though."
We've been going through this with you a few times a year for years now. You come on here with melodramatic handwringing about Bernadette Peters while on other threads going off on tangents the theme of which is always "everybody is irrational but me," coupled with a compulsive need to always have the last word, then you either disappear, settle down, or make a big show of leaving the board forever for real this time.
I don't think you're a troll but I do think you need to seriously re-assess why you're on this board in the first place because this pattern of behavior is not healthy."
Also, I kind of agree with you broadly that you've got the pattern mostly right especially the need to continue engaging, although I reject the characterisation of how it ends. It usually ends because the conversation or thread naturally dies, and I've only once ever announced I'd leave and then came back (I really wonder what happened in this thread because the mods deleted it).
I also do of course insist that I am indeed the rational actor in most of these events. I am constantly faced with a high level of emotionality on this forum - I almost never call anyone names and I always give a rationale for the ideas I post.
For example, in the case of warning this forum that Trump had a real chance of winning in 2024, I clearly was on the rationale side. It was irrational of others to be awful to me because you didn't want to hear the truth of what might happen, which did. I never supported Trump, I simply warned you that it was likely to happen and why (polls, debates, lack of adequate democrat leadership to compete, rejection of 'wokeness' because I pay attention to what people are saying outside left wing bubbles etc.), and it did. It was irrational to treat me the way you did. You wanted to feel good that's all, and when these ideas didn't make you feel good you come on the attack.
In the case of Kecia Lewis/Patti, it was obviously irrational to believe that Patti's comments about the sound levels of Hell's Kitchen were racist.
In the case of the Patti/Kecia/Audra drama, it was irrational to try and 'cancel' Patti because she was calling out Kecia Lewis' terrible behaviour towards her, or didn't like Audra's performance in Gypsy.
In the case of the Nicole S drama, it was irrational to suggest that despite giving one of the greatest performances of all time (as evidenced by the fact that she won over Audra), Nicole shouldn't win her Tony or be on that stage and pile on her because she is apparently a Christian or potentially even voted for Trump, especially given the context of us going through another Trump win where it is clear this kind of behaviour doesn't work.
In the case of the Great Comet fiasco, it was irrational for people to suggest that Mandy going into the show was in any how racist, eventually putting an entire show 1/2 POC out of work.
Yes, of COURSE there is a theme of "you guys are irrational and I am rational". That is the very point when it comes to these strange 'woke' issues that we've had to face over the last several years. You keep acting in irrational ways, causing a path of destruction around you, causing the very outcomes you're trying to avoid. It isn't rational. It's a very strange hyper emotional state that seems to prioritise looking good in the name of social justice rather than doing good or even caring how divorced from reality or not some of these claims are. This is irrational by definition and it is not the same progressive movement we had in the past.
Oh look, 8 paragraphs Kad. Based on your previous comment that 5 paragraphs is too much, is this going to be too much for you now? Would you, in hindsight defend say the comments Kecia Lewis made towards Patti? That's the whole irony of this. I don't think you would. Will you say right now that you actually think Kecia Lewis' comments towards Patti about the sound design of Hell's Kitchen were right? Especially given this article? I suspect you won't because you probably aren't irrational yourself, but if you want to feel free to argue that actually Kecia was right. So give me a break that I am often the face of having to do the dirty work and be the one to challenge these terrible ideas in the face of extreme emotionality and resistance from many posters here, when you probably secretly agree with me half the time even if you have an issue with the relentless of it all.
SteveSanders
Broadway Star Joined: 3/29/25
#42In the next 10-15 years we will likely lose Liza, Patti, Betty Buckley and Bernadette
Posted: 3/16/26 at 6:17am
binau said: "I also do of course insist that I am indeed the rational actor in most of these events. I am constantly faced with a high level of emotionality on this forum - I almost never call anyone names and I always give a rationale for the ideas I post."
You may indeed provide more rational exposition than many here, but it quite often is for comments or ideas that many people find inflammatory, that you have regularly argued before in many threads, and that a fair percentage of commenters have rejected.
So it is unsurprising that doing it yet again invokes what you call "emotionality."
#43In the next 10-15 years we will likely lose Liza, Patti, Betty Buckley and Bernadette
Posted: 3/16/26 at 6:20am
BroadwayNYC2 said: "“Using "mental illness" as a pejorative is the least okay thing about this thread.”
Aww, anyway!"
Excuse me?
#44In the next 10-15 years we will likely lose Liza, Patti, Betty Buckley and Bernadette
Posted: 3/16/26 at 7:30am
Somehow it got worse.
MB124
Featured Actor Joined: 8/19/22
#45In the next 10-15 years we will likely lose Liza, Patti, Betty Buckley and Bernadette
Posted: 3/16/26 at 8:20am
binau said: "Kad said: "binau said: "Some of you really are insufferable, can you please just ignore or block me? I mean I'm happy to continue the fighting if this is how you want to do it though."
We've been going through this with you a few times a year for years now. You come on here with melodramatic handwringing about Bernadette Peters while on other threads going off on tangents the theme of which is always "everybody is irrational but me," coupled with a compulsive need to always have the last word, then you either disappear, settle down, or make a big show of leaving the board forever for real this time.
I don't think you're a troll but I do think you need to seriously re-assess why you're on this board in the first place because this pattern of behavior is not healthy."
Also, I kind of agree with you broadly that you've got the pattern mostly right especially the need to continue engaging, although I reject the characterisation of how it ends. It usually ends because the conversation or thread naturally dies, and I've only once ever announced I'd leave and then came back (I really wonder what happened in this thread because the mods deleted it).
I also do of course insist that I am indeed the rational actor in most of these events. I am constantly faced with a high level of emotionality on this forum - I almost never call anyone names and I always give a rationale for the ideas I post.
For example, in the case of warning this forum that Trump had a real chance of winning in 2024, I clearly was on the rationale side. It was irrational of others tobe awful to mebecause you didn't want to hear the truth of whatmight happen, which did. I never supported Trump, I simply warned you that it was likely to happen and why (polls, debates, lack of adequate democrat leadership to compete, rejection of 'wokeness' because I pay attention to what people are saying outside left wing bubbles etc.), and it did. It was irrational to treat me the way you did. You wanted to feel good that's all, and when these ideas didn't make you feel good you come on the attack.
In the case of Kecia Lewis/Patti, it was obviously irrational to believe that Patti's comments about the sound levels of Hell's Kitchen were racist.
In the case of the Patti/Kecia/Audra drama, it was irrational to try and 'cancel' Patti because she was calling out Kecia Lewis' terrible behaviour towards her, or didn't like Audra's performance in Gypsy.
In the case of the Nicole S drama, it was irrational to suggest that despite giving one of the greatest performances of all time (as evidenced by the fact that she won over Audra), Nicole shouldn't win her Tony or be on that stage and pile on her because she is apparently a Christian or potentially even voted for Trump, especially given the context of us going through another Trump win where it is clear this kind of behaviour doesn't work.
In the case of the Great Comet fiasco, it was irrational for people to suggest that Mandy going into the show was in any how racist, eventually putting an entire show 1/2 POC out of work.
Yes, of COURSE there is a theme of "you guys are irrational and I am rational". That is the very point when it comes to these strange 'woke' issues that we've had to face over the last several years. You keep acting in irrational ways, causing a path of destruction around you, causing the very outcomes you're trying to avoid.It isn't rational. It's a very strange hyper emotional state that seems to prioritise looking good in the name of social justice rather than doing good or even caring how divorced from reality or not some of these claims are.This is irrational by definition and it is not the same progressive movement we had in the past.
Oh look, 8 paragraphs Kad. Based on your previous comment that 5 paragraphs is too much, is this going to be too much for you now? Would you, in hindsight defend say the comments Kecia Lewis made towards Patti?That's the whole irony of this. I don't think you would. Will you say right now that you actually think Kecia Lewis' comments towards Patti about the sound design of Hell's Kitchen were right? Especially given this article? I suspect you won't because you probably aren't irrational yourself, but if you want to feel free to argue that actually Kecia was right. So give me a break that I am often the face of having to do the dirty work and be the one to challenge these terrible ideas in the face of extreme emotionality and resistance from many posters here, when you probably secretly agree with me half the time even if you have an issue with the relentless of it all."
Seek help.
#46In the next 10-15 years we will likely lose Liza, Patti, Betty Buckley and Bernadette
Posted: 3/16/26 at 11:16am
binau said: "It was irrational of others tobe awful to mebecause you didn't want to hear the truth of whatmight happen, which did."
I personally don't claim that most of your beliefs are irrational. What is irrational, to put it extremely mildly, is the fact that you take the time out of your busy day - hundreds of your busy days! - to make the exact same point again and again to an audience that is clearly not receptive.
#47In the next 10-15 years we will likely lose Liza, Patti, Betty Buckley and Bernadette
Posted: 3/16/26 at 11:56am
I can read, write and type extremely quickly so it really doesn't take THAT much time (and that's why I tend to write posts that are too long it isn't because I'm spending loads of time, it would take me longer to think how do I condense what is going on in my mind). It's like just taking a minute break or whatever. Also, I do use this as a bit of a learning tool and social experiment (in addition to being interested and passionate about some of these issues because look I don't want to see the mob go and try cancel Patti ok? I didn't become a Broadway fan to watch a toxic community turn on itself).
For example, even though I recognise that I have burned many bridges here over the years I can never repair which is unfortunate, it means that there are things I won't try again because I can see here that they don't work. In fact, I think as you'd probably agree there is probably SO MUCH I have tried here over the years that doesn't work it really is hard to identify things that do work. It's an ongoing challenge, and I'm learning every day.
#48In the next 10-15 years we will likely lose Liza, Patti, Betty Buckley and Bernadette
Posted: 3/16/26 at 12:09pm
binau said: "I can read, write and type extremelyquickly so it really doesn't take THAT much time (and that's why I tend to write posts that are too long it isn't because I'm spending loads of time, it would take me longer to think how do I condense what is going on in my mind). It's like just taking a minute break or whatever. Also, I do use this as a bit of a learning tool and social experiment (in addition to being interested and passionate about some of these issues because look I don't want to see the mob go and try cancel Patti ok? I didn't become a Broadway fan to watch a toxic community turn on itself).
For example, even though I recognise that I have burned many bridges here over the yearsI can never repairwhich is unfortunate, it means that there are things I won't try againbecause I can see here that they don't work. In fact, I think as you'd probably agree there is probably SO MUCH I have tried here over the years that doesn't work it really is hard to identify things that do work. It's an ongoing challenge, and I'm learning every day."
In other words.....
You are nothing more than an ever-so-needy troll who ****s with us for attention. After all, for trolls negative strokes are better than no strokes at all.
#49In the next 10-15 years we will likely lose Liza, Patti, Betty Buckley and Bernadette
Posted: 3/16/26 at 12:20pm
Remind me to start a thread 10-15 years out from you're death.
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