Into the Woods Official Movie Thread- Page 114

[Showface]

Posted: 10/5/14 at 1:43pm

This was a post of the Double type
Updated On: 10/5/14 at 01:43 PM

[MagicalMusical]

Posted: 10/6/14 at 12:18am

For Last Midnight I think it is at least definite the Witch goes back to being ugly and taken away from everyone with "punish me the way you did then, give me claws and hunch, just away from this bunch" and the other things, from the revival, point to her going back to her world with her mother, and it's not full of lava! But if you think it is open to interpretation, well...I just think some things are rather clear. Maybe we must agree to disagree.
Updated On: 10/6/14 at 12:18 AM

[Hex3]

Posted: 10/6/14 at 1:17am

Last Midnight is completely up to interpretation. First, if you're going by the lyrics from the revival, (which were pretty terrible except for the addition of "Mother, here I come" which I actually do love) let us remember that the original staging for that production had The Witch turning into a snake and slithering up a tree. It wasn't until the show moved to broadway that they changed it to her reverting back to her old and ugly stage and spinning into the ground. Then we have the recent Central Park production that had her being pulled down into the earth by two gnarled hands that could have been her mother or some demon that was sent for her. There are countless other ways that other productions have staged this scene. And here's the other thing: We do not know where her mother is. She could be dead and in the Underworld. She could be the queen of the damned. She could even be having a nice hot toddy in a neighboring kingdom with the hot young blacksmith that she ran away with. We do not know. During the last bits of the song when The Witch is calling to her mother, she is already in a deteriorated mental state. Not only from watching her only child choose to place herself in the path of a giant's foot rather than stay with her, but from also having to deal with all the "nice" people that she is then surrounded by. By this point she is calling out to, whom she probably thinks to be, the only person left that may actually listen to her. And whether her mother be in the Other World or in a comfy cottage down the lane is all up to interpretation. And what happens to The Witch at the end of the song is also all up to interpretation. Considering that the duo that created this character and her world have interpreted it three different ways, I'd say they would agree.

[J_Jammer]

Posted: 10/6/14 at 3:17pm

I cannot wait for Big Hero 6 and Into the Woods. Two films I look forward to them most.

I think Into The Woods is hoping for word of mouth for the most part. Which I think is smart until we get closer to the release.

I thought y'all might appreciate the link.

"Your Fault" from Into the Woods

[J_Jammer]

Posted: 10/6/14 at 3:26pm

That's exciting.

I'm looking forward to Your Fault.

the speed and quickness is what makes it so freakin awesome.

[MagicalMusical]

Posted: 10/7/14 at 6:01pm

Hex3, it's pretty clear from the lyrics what happens to the Witch in the original production. "Punish me the way you did then, give me claws and a hunch, just away from this bunch." In the 2002 Broadway revival, it's clear too, "Better ugly and spurned with my powers returned...mother, here I come." And in the 2012 Revival it's pretty obvious those are her mother's arms pulling her, but I agree it possibly could be something else. The only thing that questions Last Midnight is her turning into a snake and slithering up a tree, from which I don't know where you got that information, but it doesn't matter what they CONSIDERED doing. What I'm talking about is what they DID do, and what did end up in the final stage productions is pretty clear, and what we have heard from the movie sounds pretty clear too. If they keep lyrics like "give me claws and a hunch, just away from this bunch" or "better ugly and spurned, with my powers returned" or "mother, here I come", it is all pretty clear she becomes her ugly witch self again and goes to some other place, and possibly where her mother is. The only thing up to interpretation is where she goes and where her mother is, but those places wouldn't be hell or lava filled places or the ideas you suggested, except maybe an underworld, but it doesn't make much sense that a fairy tale witch would come from an underworld like she's inhuman. I'm just saying that sense and logic and putting clues together infers what happens to her, it's not all completely objective. There's clues.

[themysteriousgrowl]

Posted: 10/7/14 at 6:20pm

"And in the 2012 Revival it's pretty obvious those are her mother's arms pulling her, but I agree it possibly could be something else."

The mind boggles.

[Hex3]

Posted: 10/7/14 at 7:00pm

You're trying to fit it all into your own little box. Why can't her mother be in hell? Why can't fairy tale witches be from the underworld? Why are you taking the rantings and ravings of a grief stricken woman going through a total mental breakdown as word for word gospel? If this is your own interpretation then you are welcome to it. However, it is just that.

And as for her turning into a snake and slithering up the tree. That was staged and performed during the LA run of the 2002 revival with Vanessa Williams before it hit broadway. I know this because of reports I read from said production and from a brief conversation that I had with Vanessa Williams herself towards the end of the broadway run. So, again, it was staged like that by Lapine himself with Sondheim right by his side. So maybe you should take this up with them.

[Showface]

Posted: 10/7/14 at 8:00pm

MagicalMusical:


You are preaching your OPINION like FACT...I think we are going to have to agree to disagree, but the fact that you say the Last Midnight is not up to interpretation is just...crazy! Basically, with every major production the ending changes the meaning of what happens to the Witch.


I think we can both agree that the mother does SOMETHING to the Witch.

Do I think that she turned the Witch back into her old and ugly state? Maybe, it's up to the director!

I personally like to think the Mother killed the Witch, or vaporized her, or something! I mean, why would the Mother do exactly what her (disobedient) daughter wants from her? She threw away the beans ON PURPOSE...this is like the "Strike One...Strike Two" parenting (except the Witch's mother isn't that nice).

" it is all pretty clear she becomes her ugly witch self again and goes to some other place, and possibly where her mother is"

Actually...it's not...it's up to interpretation...how do you know that just because the Witch asked for it, that it happened?

"The only thing up to interpretation is where she goes and where her mother is"

Ummm...no...just no...

"but those places wouldn't be hell or lava filled places or the ideas you suggested, except maybe an underworld, but it doesn't make much sense that a fairy tale witch would come from an underworld like she's inhuman"

I never suggested that, but why not? Oh! I totally forgot real witches do not come from underworlds! They are completely human; there is nothing different and special about real witches.


"I'm just saying that sense and logic and putting clues together infers what happens to her, it's not all completely objective. There's clues."

As I pointed out before, I think your logic is flawed in some places, but I get where you're coming from though! Sort of...

I guess we must agree to disagree...

[MagicalMusical]

Posted: 10/8/14 at 12:26am

Well, I thought if I pointed out certain things, everyone would see the facts about what happens to the Witch, but you guys have made good cases for why some of it may not be fact. I feel that the show spelled out a lot of what happens to the Witch per production (and now movie), but if you guys don't, then yes, we just agree to disagree.

Oh, but let me be clear, I know the witch could be born a witch, but being a witch is still in the category of being human.



Updated On: 10/8/14 at 12:26 AM

[Showface]

Posted: 10/8/14 at 7:17pm

Take this for what it is, but I found this on another board...the GoldDerby Board. The poster's screename is Etchie. It is about the upcoming trailer:

"Over the weekend, I chance upon a tweet from someone supposedly preparing it but loaded with so many hashtags like #ITW #NewTrailer #MAGICAL."


So...it's not much, and it doesn't say when, but I'm just getting a feeling that this trailer will come either tomorrow or Friday, or perhaps next week! But, I'm rooting for tomorrow or Friday.

[Showface]

Posted: 10/8/14 at 7:25pm

Doesn't someone on here have a friend who is working on the trailer?

[ullabelt]

Posted: 10/8/14 at 7:38pm

I always thought that throwing away the beans was just invoking the curse, a second time around. The Witch says early on that her mother had warned her what would happen if she ever lost the beans.

I always presumed that by throwing the beans during 'Last Midnight' she was both punishing the onstage characters and saying 'Ok! Bring it! I want my powers back'

I also never saw the witch vanishing as being pulled away to somewhere but simply that the process of the curse was beginning and her powers were returning, so she uses them to teleport herself out. Obviously made clearer in the 2002 production as she is transformed by that point.

The recent open air production, at least to me has just confused the matter entirely. I think the arms are more of an interesting visual idea than they are something that the team really thought about...

But whilst we are on the subject, why isn't the Witch ever ugly in the finale? Save for the fact that the original team probably didn't want their star doing 'Children Will Listen' in her slightly campy witch garb...and it has stuck.

I undesratnd

[Showface]

Posted: 10/8/14 at 7:45pm

I've thought about that as well. But remember, the Witch only turns old and ugly if the director wants her to.

Now, regarding the 2002 revival when she did, or any production where it is heavily implied she does, I've started to wonder if the characters are "really there". I've wondered if they are (I know the Baker's wife is), but it seems to me that the purpose of the characters singing (particularly the Witch) is to deliver the moral of their individual tales, and finally, the moral of the entire show, "Children will listen and careful the wish you make".

But, I'm very interested to see how this is handled in the film. I've heard it's not the same as it was in the leaked script (where the characters were obviously there). So, I'm very curious to see how it is handled. I actually wouldn't mind seeing the Witch sing from Rapunzel's tower...don't judge.

[Showface]

Posted: 10/8/14 at 7:47pm

"The recent open air production, at least to me has just confused the matter entirely."

I thought that production's Last Midnight just ended in a blackout...I haven't seen it yet, so I could be wrong, but that's what I've heard.


I thought the arms were just added for the Central Park production.

[Plexsis]

Posted: 10/8/14 at 11:07pm

I'm assuming that since Alexander releases on Friday that if there will be a new trailer, we might see it tomorrow?

I have a feeling Disney will wait til next month for a new trailer, but I welcome them to prove me wrong.

[ullabelt]

Posted: 10/9/14 at 7:46am

SHOWFACE - Yes I agree entirely, she is only ever old if teh director wants her to be but the reality is the lyrics very clearly point toward it.

Even the 2002 revival having shown the witch growing old and ugly revert back for the finale.

I think it is less about the artistic than it is selling the song and having your star bow ugly. I have also heard it argued that she is dead, which I can't quite get my head around but if she was then all of the other dead folk appear as they did when they passed - i.e, Rapunzel's hair doesn't grow back, so why should the witch be beautiful even in death?

Sorry, I meant Central Park as the most recent open air.

[Showface]

Posted: 10/9/14 at 9:05pm

FACT: The Witch asks for her mother to take her away and make her old and ugly with her powers back (who knows where)

OPINION: The Witch's mother actually did so...

[Showface]

Posted: 10/9/14 at 9:07pm

No trailer for ITW, but one for Tomorrowland...I imagine we may get one for ITW within the next few weeks...I don't think we have to wait until Big Hero 6. At least I hope not. I hope they don't market this like Frozen. I hope it's more like Maleficent. We have 3 months to go till the movies out. LET'S GO DISNEY!

[jacobsnchz14]

Posted: 10/10/14 at 9:19am

Soundtrack will be released 12/16/14... meaning 9 days of other people judging the film before the actual film is released... lol.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MAIK7BC?ie=UTF8&tag=castalbums-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B00MAIK7BC

[Hex3]

Posted: 10/10/14 at 7:22pm

I don't think that I would want to spoil myself by listening to the soundtrack only 9 days before the film opens. I may listen to one or two songs. Perhaps A Very Nice Prince and the deleted Witch song (assuming it will be included), but I would want to wait to see all of the bigger numbers on screen.

[Showface]

Posted: 10/10/14 at 8:41pm

^I may listen to snippets of numbers, but maybe just the small musical moments, not the big ones. I'm definitely holding out on The Opening, Last Midnight, Moments in the Woods, Children Will Listen, and Stay with Me. I may listen to a snippet of On the Steps of the Palace, but only so I can hear if Anna Kendrick has the range to hit those high notes.

Also, as I feared, I think Disney is pulling a Frozen campaign strategy with this, and I think they are holding off until November (which to be fair isn't that far away) to give us a trailer.

I fully expect this trailer to be around 2 minutes and 30 seconds. I expect music, and I actually don't want to hear Children Will Listen. Though it's the moral of the tale, and is arguably one of the most famous songs from the show, I don't think it is the right song to advertise it with. They are going to need to market this to the teen-young adult crowd, since, they will be the people to make this film a success in IMO. I think No One is Alone may be good background music. With this music we get to see the darker parts of the story to show that this is not some light hearted family-fare. Then, perhaps an Instrumental of the title song to finish the trailer (with the release date and more images/clips).

Also, this is the month where screenings should start to pop up more. This time however, it should be the final film. I think they finished the Sound Mixing process, and they should be done with all, or most of all of the effects by now, so now it's just presenting it to the public (or private in the case of screenings).

Anyone hear of where some screenings may take place?

But, I do think that within the next few weeks (before the trailer), we will get a handful of stills.

Also, regarding the trailer being "pale and washed out", when I agreed to the original post dealing with that matter, I just finished watching the trailer (for the upteenth time), but on a small desktop that is not HD. After watching it on a screen that is HD...I can assure you the trailer has a nice balance of color, the saturation, shadows, and temperature are all there, and I can make out ALL the images clearly...even the clip where the Giant stomps her foot; I can make out all of the characters faces and costumes! You just have to view it the right way!

[HorseTears]

Posted: 10/10/14 at 9:50pm

Can someone change the subject line of this thread when the nerds are done arguing and we have some actual news on the film?

[Showface]

Posted: 10/10/14 at 9:53pm

^The "nerd debate" is over!

And, actually we do have news on the film. The soundtrack release date.

Until something major happens discussion is open to anything related to the film. Afterall, it is the "Official Into the Woods Movie Discussion Thread"

[MagicalMusical]

Posted: 10/11/14 at 10:09pm

Oh yea I forgot, when I first experienced the play I thought the Witch's powers returned and that she used them to leave them.

However,the 2002 production did point to her getting back her powers but her going to her mother's, as she says, "Mother, here I come!"

I never thought about how she strangely isn't her ugly self when she sings in the finale. I'd like to think she, and all the others, get happy endings and are either ghosts or, in the Witch's case, simply allowed to be there (magically?) in a happier form.

Now that I think about it, the original production lends itself best to the finale. If in the original production she gets her powers back and leaves using them, without becoming ugly, then her not being ugly in the finale makes sense. Of course she could have been made ugly after she had left them, but I'm just talking about what makes a lot of sense for the finale.


Updated On: 10/12/14 at 10:09 PM