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Into the Woods Official Movie Thread
#450Into the Woods Movie Cast
Posted: 5/10/13 at 2:12pmThis may have been mentioned but I haven't read all 400+ replies but I wouldn't be surprised if original cast members made their way into minor roles as a wink and a nod to us (ala Chita in Chicago).
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Wynbish
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#451Into the Woods Movie Cast
Posted: 5/10/13 at 2:18pmInto The Woods is not exactly a fodder for an ensemble that would allow that, unlike Chicago and Les Mis, but they could pop up in the Prince's Ball as Cinderella is running out.
beautywickedlover
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/28/07
#452Into the Woods Movie Cast
Posted: 5/10/13 at 2:24pm
"Disney had no problem with death when it made Bambi an orphan!"
But wasn't the Great Prince of the Forest his father?
Anyway, something has always confused me about the fate of the Royal Family (Cinderella's father and Step-Family) even though I've seen the televised version and digital download version of the Regent's Park version. I don't think their actual deaths were shown, but it is likely that they died because the Witch warned them that, "there's nowhere to hide." At the end, the Stepmother sings the lyrics, "When going to hide, know how to get there." And Cinderella's Father sings, "And how to get back."
The Narrator will most likely be an old man rather than a child like in the 2010 Regent's Park and 2012 Public Theater productions. In that version the child narrator dies, but the second act is a nightmare he's having.
Updated On: 5/29/13 at 02:24 PM
#453Into the Woods Movie Cast
Posted: 5/10/13 at 2:28pm
This may have been mentioned but I haven't read all 400+ replies but I wouldn't be surprised if original cast members made their way into minor roles as a wink and a nod to us (ala Chita in Chicago).
It's been mentioned. I'm hoping for a Bernadette cameo as either Red Riding Hood's granny or Cinderella's mother/ghost (the lady in the tree).
Not sure how I feel about the new song and Rapunzel not dying. It depends on how it fits within the story. I tend to think it will lessen the impact of the Witch and what she risked. She traded everything for her beauty, and seemingly some of that motivation was to win Rapunzel's favor again ... and then Rapunzel dies. Take away that death, and it will soften their story, no question.
It does remind me of the changes made to The Little Mermaid and LIttle Shop of Horrors. Obviously, it worked with audiences in those cases.
Lapine and Sondheim are very open to trying new things out. Unfortunately, there is a big difference with trying a new song or scene out of town or in previews. You still have a chance to fix it, rewrite it, and try something else out the next night, if it doesn't work.
On film, they rarely go back and shoot new scenes nowadays. They might cut something out, but adding or rewriting new material after the fact is so expensive, especially if they were to add a musical number back in? Forget it. Maybe they'll cover their butts and film a couple of options in case it doesn't work with (test) audiences. That would be Rob Marshall's call ...
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AdamTheLatteBoy
Swing Joined: 2/14/13
#454Into the Woods Movie Cast
Posted: 5/10/13 at 2:30pmIn really wish they had gone with someone like Glenn Close over Meryl for the witch. Seems to me the character is a perfect mix of he darkness of Patty Hewes and the gleeful nastiness of Cruela De Ville! Plus we know from Barnum/Busker Alley/Sunset she has a much better voice.
#455Into the Woods Movie Cast
Posted: 5/10/13 at 2:34pm
Remember that this isn't going to be a Disney children's animated film like The Little Mermaid. The total plot change in that was completely understandable. I imagine that this film will be done in the same vein as their Pirates franchise which is why I made the comparison. That is a very successful Disney franchise with death scenes galore.
Cutting Rapunzel's death completely changes the Witch's character arc. It's the major catalyst for her breakdown (Last Midnight). And what reason does she now have for singing Children Will Listen? Or maybe they've cut that as well? We all know how much Rob Marshal just loooves cutting scores to an inch of their lives. Also, with no Rapunzel dying, there's no Lament. So what will she get to sing now? Just this new song, by the looks of things.
Oof! I really did have high hopes for this film. I loved Chicago and (though highly flawed) Nine does hold a warm little place in my heart. I still won't judge the finished product until I see it, but I am losing hope...
#456Into the Woods Movie Cast
Posted: 5/10/13 at 2:37pm
Yeah, I'm really going to miss the "Children Won't Listen"/"Children Will Listen" dichotomy.
That was very powerful.
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beautywickedlover
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/28/07
#457Into the Woods Movie Cast
Posted: 5/10/13 at 2:40pm
"And what reason does she now have for singing Children Will Listen? Or maybe they've cut that as well?"
I'm pretty sure if will still be sung in the film. The Witch was singing it as a moral for the Baker when he was telling his baby the story of everything that has happened.
#458Into the Woods Movie Cast
Posted: 5/10/13 at 2:42pmI think Ana Gasteyer would be terrific as the Baker's Wife.
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#459Into the Woods Movie Cast
Posted: 5/10/13 at 2:55pm
"I'm pretty sure if will still be sung in the film. The Witch was singing it as a moral for the Baker when he was telling his baby the story of everything that has happened."
But what reason does the character of The Witch have to sing this now? Remember, she has to learn her own lesson. And that is why she sings it. With this change it would make more sense for the ghost of the Baker's Wife to go into this song seeing as it's her child.
Edit: I understand that Children Will Listen is a huge moment in the story and that it will, most likely, not get cut. I was just being snarky when I mentioned that. However, it will definitely alter it's full meaning and intention.
Updated On: 5/10/13 at 02:55 PM
#460Into the Woods Movie Cast
Posted: 5/10/13 at 3:09pm
I am actually HOPING the film deviates wildly from the stage show. The musical is perfect, but I don't know it would translate perfectly to cinema. It's very much a two-part show, and I feel that the transition between Acts One and Two would be difficult to handle cinematically. I am wary of the news Rapunzel is going to survive, but it makes sense that Disney isn't gonna kill off their newest Princess. I imagine she'll play a reduced role.
I don't know what changes Lapine's made, but apparently he's cut the script down to two hours. That's how long Act One is. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of numbers jettisoned. I suspect they might cut the narrator entirely, as that's more of a theatrical device. Maybe the Giant will come down a lot sooner, or not at all. Maybe the Baker's Wife will encounter the prince earlier. Maybe the stepsisters won't go blind. Maybe the Prince will get squished. I don't know, but I'm excited. It'll be a new version of the story, done by the person who knows it best. It won't replace the stage show, that version's perfect for the theater, but I'm very curious to see what changes have to be made to make it work onscreen.
Musicaldudepeter
Broadway Legend Joined: 3/18/10
#461Into the Woods Movie Cast
Posted: 5/10/13 at 3:10pmI would imagine some of the characters will be diluted for the film, e.g. Jack's mother - I would say they will lessen this role and place more of an emphasis on Jack himself... They will cut a lot of material there. And Red and Jack in general I'd say will be much smaller parts in the movie, with more of an emphasis on the Baker and his Wife and of course the Witch who will probably play even more of a central role thanks to Streep's casting.
#462Into the Woods Movie Cast
Posted: 5/10/13 at 3:22pmOh, I knew there would be changes to the over all flow of the the piece. Especially concerning the whole actI actII transition. I'm expecting that certain characters are going to lose screen time and that others (like The Narrator) may be cut completely. All that I can understand and forgive. But completely changing one of the biggest plot points is something completely different.
#463Into the Woods Movie Cast
Posted: 5/10/13 at 3:24pm
Just a quick word on the "Disney's not killing Rapunzel" thing:
I'm racking my brain, but I can't think of any occurrence when Disney killed off a character with a love interest. Sure, they kill off Parents and authority figures left and right, but you rarely see a character who is primarily identified as as a lover, rather than a parent, bite it. The only example I can think of is Ellie in UP, and that doesn't count, that's Pixar. Disney's big thing is Love conquers all...and love can't conquer if love is squished by a Giant, can they?
beautywickedlover
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/28/07
#464Into the Woods Movie Cast
Posted: 5/10/13 at 3:24pm
"He did, however, lament the fact that a perfect celebrity cast arranged by Penny Marshall in the 1990s did not ever make it to the screen. But he seems genuinely enthusiastic about this."
If this version had actually happened it probably would have been an accurate adaptation of the stage musical. But when Disney got hold of this project they wanted to not make it SO DARK for its targeted audiences. If musical theatre fans do not enjoy the film adaptations of popular shows, then that is why there is the original television version of this musical and the Anniversary concerts of 'Phantom of the Opera' and 'Les Miserables'.
"I am wary of the news Rapunzel is going to survive, but it makes sense that Disney isn't gonna kill off their newest Princess."
This is OT: But as of tomorrow, Rapunzel will not be the NEWEST Disney Princess. That honor will belong to Merida of Disney/Pixar's 'Brave'.
ETA: "The only example I can think of is Ellie in UP, and that doesn't count, that's Pixar."
Disney does not mind incorporating Pixar characters into its franchises. See my source below.
Merida to become 11th Disney Princess in royal coronation ceremony at Walt Disney World on May 11
Updated On: 5/10/13 at 03:24 PM
#465Into the Woods Movie Cast
Posted: 5/10/13 at 3:30pm
"If this version had actually happened it probably would have been an accurate adaptation of the stage musical."
Oh, no no no no no no no. That version diverted DRAMATICALLY from the original. Much more, I hope, than this film will. In that script the Baker's Wife not only lives, but crawls out of the giant's nose at the end. The giant was also the male and was played by Danny DeVito in the read through.
Updated On: 5/10/13 at 03:30 PM
beautywickedlover
Broadway Legend Joined: 6/28/07
#467Into the Woods Movie Cast
Posted: 5/10/13 at 3:45pm
Yes. Let's be very thankful that that film never happened.
Oh, and I don't remember who said that actI runs for two hours nor where you experienced this, but it should run just about an hour and a half.
Gothampc
Broadway Legend Joined: 5/20/03
#468Into the Woods Movie Cast
Posted: 5/10/13 at 4:13pmWith heavyset James Corden playing the Baker, we'll have to assume the reason the Baker and his wife are poor is because he eats all the profits.
If anyone ever tells you that you put too much Parmesan cheese on your pasta, stop talking to them. You don't need that kind of negativity in your life.
#469Into the Woods Movie Cast
Posted: 5/10/13 at 4:16pmNot so sure how I feel about Rapunzel surviving. I mean, what can they really do with her for the finale? It's just gonna make the whole thing feel bloated.
Starship
Broadway Star Joined: 7/29/12
#470Into the Woods Movie Cast
Posted: 5/10/13 at 4:23pm
Rapunzel, as already noted, won't be a new Disney Princess since Tangled's Rapunzel is already an official Disney Princess.
Also, did anybody ever think that Rapunzel might not die but go missing or something?
Wynbish
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/27/12
#471Into the Woods Movie Cast
Posted: 5/10/13 at 4:27pmIn Disney's Hercules, Meg died, then was brought back to life.
Wynbish
Broadway Legend Joined: 4/27/12
#473Into the Woods Movie Cast
Posted: 5/10/13 at 4:28pm
There are a lot of changes in the film from what I heard, but the last information I had was based on the draft from a few months ago. On the Steps of the Palace was placed in present tense and there were some significant lyric changes, if I remember correctly, and No More is also cut.
I wish I'd thought to ask for more details at the time, I believe Giants in the Sky has also been tinkered with.
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#474Into the Woods Movie Cast
Posted: 5/10/13 at 4:36pm
I don't mind a change to "Steps of the Palace." There are going to have to be changes to the stage version, because so many of the characters run onto the stage and tell you what just happened off-stage moments earlier. That would never work in a film. Cinderella does it, Jack does it, Little Red does it. Each with their own songs.
In a movie, they'll either have to be telling it to another character, with the use of flashbacks, or it has to be moved to the present tense while it's happening on screen.
I've always thought that was one of the biggest challenges with a screen adaptation. What to do with all that "self narration."
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