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#5050Official Into the Woods Movie Discussion Thread
Posted: 1/14/15 at 9:58pm
The witch loved Rapunzel so she...blinded her lover, hacked off her hair and exiled her to a lifetime of solitude in the middle of a snake-infested swamp? That means genuine love?
That's not genuine motherly love to me. That's possessiveness, vengeance, and "I'll show you who's in charge." Kind of a warped idea of love, I'd say. No wonder Rapunzel ran off!!
Mothers who genuinely love their children acknowledge when they become adults and encourage them to find stable, healthy relationships. Obviously the witch was never going to do that, and Rapunzel knew that as well. Hence the "I never want to see you again, ever!" If my mother stuck long painful thorns into my boyfriend's eyes, I'd be pretty ticked too.
You're right about the witch having no one to love, though. That's the problem - she thought possessiveness = love, and when her 'daughter' refused to be possessed, she lost it. That's why she blows a gasket; she can't reconcile that she was wrong in the way she raised her 'daughter', by shutting her away and refusing to give her freedom.
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#5051Official Into the Woods Movie Discussion Thread
Posted: 1/14/15 at 10:01pm
No matter how warped...I still think the Witch genuinely loved Rapunzel...at least Streep's portrayal did. She did what she thought was best to protect her. Sure, she wanted her for herself. I didn't say it was perfect typcial love---The Witch had a very warped and twisted way of showing love, but I don't think it was just "possesive"---when I hear that, I think of "Mother Gothel" from Tangled.
UPDATE: The Witch *thought* she was just doing what was right "I was just trying to be a good mother", and I think that is evidence that the Witch did love her---but the Witch took it too far, deeming her a possessive mother. I think the Witch (again Streep's portrayal) really does fear for Rapunzel's safety in the world, and takes extra measures to shield her from it (minus the whole "PUNISH U 2 SWAMP" lol). In the play, the Witch is the sane one, while Rapunzel is crazy...in the movie the role seems reversed. The Witch can't let go of Rapunzel--she loves her and NEEDS to do EVERYTHING she can to protect her. Which, can be, I guess, a demonstration of possessiveness.
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#5052Official Into the Woods Movie Discussion Thread
Posted: 1/14/15 at 10:16pmThe difference between the Witch and Mother Gothel is that the Witch actually LOVED Rapunzel whereas Mother Gothel loved what Rapunzel GAVE HER (which was the magic in her hair). I never felt really that Gothel even cared much for Rapunzel, even after being her "mother" for so long.
#5053Official Into the Woods Movie Discussion Thread
Posted: 1/15/15 at 3:36am
I found the scene when the Witch says she has brought Rapunzel's 'favourite' berries to her a bit heartbreaking, given I knew what would happen. Streep's Witch loved Rapunzel so much I almost got the impression that the only reason she wanted to 'reverse the curse' was to strengthen her relationship with Rapunzel. Maybe that's an obvious thing to say, but I never felt it so strongly until this film.
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#5054Official Into the Woods Movie Discussion Thread
Posted: 1/15/15 at 6:38amWell, it's not like the witch had a really great role model on how to be a mother. Look what her own mother did to her. That's probably where she got the idea that if you love your children, you have to inflict horrible punishments on them to keep them in line for their own "protection".
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#5055Official Into the Woods Movie Discussion Thread
Posted: 1/15/15 at 9:10amBig letdown Oscar wise. No Pic/Director nods. 2 or 3 nods.Bit of a surprise.
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#5056Official Into the Woods Movie Discussion Thread
Posted: 1/15/15 at 9:16am
I dont think its that much of a surprise, its a nice movie but it doesnt scream Oscar worthy in any category really.
I am surprised they chose to recognise Meryl Streep but not Emily Blunt, who for me walked away with the entire movie
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#5057Official Into the Woods Movie Discussion Thread
Posted: 1/15/15 at 9:22am
I still had a little hope it would sneak into the Best Pic category, but it performed about as I expected.
I would have loved to see Blunt get a nom, but there wasn't ever much of a chance of that happening.
#5058Official Into the Woods Movie Discussion Thread
Posted: 1/15/15 at 9:25amYeah it's not much of a surprise considering there was little to no buzz about the film. They threw 'em a bone by nominating Meryl, but I would've preferred to see Emily Blunt nominated.
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#5059Official Into the Woods Movie Discussion Thread
Posted: 1/15/15 at 9:27amThey got nominated for what I expected, I don't expect any wins.
#5060Official Into the Woods Movie Discussion Thread
Posted: 1/15/15 at 9:32ami was hoping for a best sound mixing oscar nom as well as BEST PIC...but some little flic named WHIPLASH which has only made $6 million got that 8th nom...****!
#5061Official Into the Woods Movie Discussion Thread
Posted: 1/15/15 at 9:36am
What is the amount of money a film needs to take it (domestic and international) to make it worthy (in your eyes) of being a good film?
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#5062Official Into the Woods Movie Discussion Thread
Posted: 1/15/15 at 9:36amI was hoping for Dion Beebee to be nominated for cinematography. That was deserved.
#5063Official Into the Woods Movie Discussion Thread
Posted: 1/15/15 at 10:20am
its not the total amount of money a film makes...it's that a film like WHIPLASH was rejected by the movie going public and INTO THE WOODS was embraced...the only people who wanted to see WHIPLASH were Academy voters who were sent screeners...
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#5064Official Into the Woods Movie Discussion Thread
Posted: 1/15/15 at 10:53amI take it you haven't seen Whiplash. It's a great film. Much better than ITW in my opinion. A film doesn't have to be a box office hit to make it in with the academy obviously. Besides, whiplash had a limited release and was more of an art house film. It's pretty dumb to bash a film you haven't seen. Whiplash received much more praise by critics and audiences than ITW . I
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#5065Official Into the Woods Movie Discussion Thread
Posted: 1/15/15 at 10:56am
Was "Whiplash" really "rejected" by the movie going public, or did it just not get much exposure?
It seems to be very well liked by those who have seen it - based on its IMDb & RT scores, etc. I personally thought it was pretty great (and intense!) - and no, I'm not a member of the academy.
An independent or foreign film, no matter how good, has very little chance of ever making a ton of money. My favorite film of 2014, "The Tale of the Princess Kaguya," hasn't even made $1 million in the US so far. Give "Whiplash" a $50 million advertising campaign and a major release in 3000 theaters and I can pretty much guarantee it would have made a lot more than $6 million.
Anyways, it's nice to see a (relatively) small film like "Whiplash" among the bigger pictures.
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#5066Official Into the Woods Movie Discussion Thread
Posted: 1/15/15 at 11:08amMost of the movies that are nominated for the Oscars never seem worthy.
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#5067Official Into the Woods Movie Discussion Thread
Posted: 1/15/15 at 11:18am
I was not really holding my breath for Best Picture nom
But Emily Blunt.
That is an absolute snub.
She was fantastic start to finish. My only thought is because Into the Woods is such an ensemble piece she didn't stand out to them as the literal lead.
#5068Official Into the Woods Movie Discussion Thread
Posted: 1/15/15 at 11:32amYet Meryl Streep did? Good as she is, her performance does not deserve this nomination
#5069Official Into the Woods Movie Discussion Thread
Posted: 1/15/15 at 11:38am
The nominations didn't surprise me. ITW was not as overall amazing as 'Chicago', and the Academy tends to not favor fantasy/musical films, so ITW would have probably had to be BETTER than 'Chicago' just to get nominated.
But hey, at least we aren't the 'Hobbit' fandom. After "Return of the King" swept the 2004 Oscars including "Best Picture" I think some people had high hopes for "The Battle of the Five Armies", since it was really Peter Jackson's last chance at getting any awards.
But BoFA got exactly one nomination, a technical one for sound editing I think, and it's not favored to win. That has to be a huge disappointment.
I do feel bad for whoever is in charge of the Oscar telecast, though. The nominations are mostly pretty boring, and none of the BP noms have a huge or passionate fan base. It's going to be hard to get people to tune in this year.
#5070Official Into the Woods Movie Discussion Thread
Posted: 1/15/15 at 11:39am
its not the total amount of money a film makes...it's that a film like WHIPLASH was rejected by the movie going public and INTO THE WOODS was embraced...
Well by that logic Guardians of The Galaxy, and Mockingjay Part 1 should've been nominated before Into The Woods, since both were 'embraced' by the public more than ITW.
And Whiplash was a fantastic film btw and deserved every nomination it got.
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#5071Official Into the Woods Movie Discussion Thread
Posted: 1/15/15 at 12:16pm
The average moviegoer (where films get a mass majority of their revenue from) cannot recall a Best Picture winner over the popular films of that year. Meaning...best picture is only a title, not something that staples it to people's memories. Making it a hollow win.
1987. Remember the winner of Best Picture? It was Platoon. Know what that films about outside of it being about war? Remember the last time you saw it? Was it recently? Do you know anyone that gets excited when you mention that film?
1987 was also the year The Princess Bride came out. It didn't do so well...but it is the film that has sustained and grown in popularity. It is beloved and wasn't even nominated.
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#5072Official Into the Woods Movie Discussion Thread
Posted: 1/15/15 at 12:17pmWhiplash didn't get much exposure but it wasn't rejected by the public at all. It got raves at all the film festivals and it's going to win best supporting actor. I'm hoping they might re release it to a wider audience now that it has several Oscar nominations to its name. It's a thrilling film. The thing with into the woods is, it never got enough love or support from critics and Hollywood . No one was foaming at the mouth for this film and therefor didn't get any traction to warrant any award talk. If anyone is really surprised that it didn't do better with the academy then they haven't been paying attention or are just blind.
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#5073Official Into the Woods Movie Discussion Thread
Posted: 1/15/15 at 12:18pmYeah, that was one of the most moronic comments ever written on BWW. Whiplash is an absolutely fantastic movie with a limited release; mostly in art houses and the like. It deserves every single accolade it gets and was well-beloved by the critics. It's a great movie. You cannot compare it to a big budget fantasy flick like INTO THE WOODS. Comparing apples and oranges.
#5074Official Into the Woods Movie Discussion Thread
Posted: 1/15/15 at 12:21pm@J_jammer, you would be singing a different tune if into the woods was a frontrunner to win BP...
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