Is the migrant crisis affecting broadway?- Page 5

[pmensky]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 7:58pm

For those who care about facts and numbers, HERE is the NYPD’s most recent reporting.

[Broadway Flash]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 8:25pm

Even if it didn’t get reported on, there have been other crimes committed by migrants recently that have been well reported on. 

[BroadwayPatriot]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 8:33pm

Dylan Smith4 said: "Matt Rogers said: "And I stand by my statement that a truckload of right wing bigots have successfully infiltrated this site."

If only the mods could remove them. Their presence on here is toxic!"

I see no “ right wingers “ here but I do see angry toxic people blinded by loyalty to the progressive ideology and the Democrat party - you can be liberal , leftist, Democrat and still admit reality - the migrant thing is a debacle and while not a main contributor to less people seeing shows - it’s in line with the general , slow and gradual deterioration of this area , the main problem is the hands off anything goes attitude of the police and the coty council allowing this , who wants to spend big money to come to the city and visit Times Square in 2023 ? Closed stores all over the place, restaurants closing early - and shady druggies all over the place - and I’m quite liberal with the weed smoke, but open needles is gross , the area is gross now , and it has to do with the hands off approach to all quality of life infractions. The city went from a total police state under Bloomberg and Guiliani to an anything goes attitude - swinging from one extreme to the next

 

[BroadwayPatriot]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 9:11pm

Matt Rogers said: "BroadwayPatriot said: "Impeach2017 said: "Oh look, another wingnut who reads too much NY Post and other fascist hateful rags."

No your an ideologue- blinded by loyalty to a party and politician - the migrant thing is real - tell my two co workers on Broadway who were assaulted and robbed by migrants from the row - how they are “ wingnuts” - these are real people - real people don’t obsess over R and D- your caught up in this garbage and it clouds your ability to think"

I don’t believe what you are saying for a second. If what you said really happened, it would have been the cover story of the NY Post the next day. Calm the F down, get a grip, stop lying, and enjoy your lovely home on Staten Island."

Not every crime is reported man, I know one of the victims well and  they did not want to be in the press over being mugged- second I don’t live in Staten Island - you would be terrified of where I live dude - it’s the borough people like you would never visit 

[Matt Rogers]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 9:29pm

BroadwayPatriot said: "Matt Rogers said: "BroadwayPatriot said: "Matt Rogers said: "Well, it’s official. This site has finally been infiltrated by right wing bigots."

No not bigots or necessarily right wingers - people who are honest and not blinded by ideology- guess what ? I’m Hispanic - live in Bronx - work on Broadway in the theaters - I see this stuff- yeah there is a crisis - you are so loyal to your ideology - you can’t see reality - I’m not - I vote for republicans and democrats and voted for libertarians and Green Party - not ideological- so maybe take your blinders off and loyalty to D and progressive ideology for a moment"

I don’t believe one single thing in this post. Not one thing."

thahs your problem you live in a bubble - real people are not obsessed with R or D- real people are not married to an ideology - real people are open minded - yeah W44th was dangerous in the winter and fall - yes I work in Broadway - I’m here evey day - you probably walked right by me - you are damaged by political loyalty and ideology - no different than a Trump supporter- when I tell you my fellow union brother abc sister were attacked I mean it

"

Look everyone! A “patriot”!  I think we know exactly what that false name means. 

[uncageg]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 9:50pm

pmensky said: "For those who care about facts and numbers,HEREis the NYPD’s most recent reporting."

Yes, crime is down. But it is still happening. And as stated above, not all are reported. And even if they were all reported and numbers were still down, it only takes the reports in the media to make people think twice about or not come into the city. They aren't really looking at numbers and facts. And quite honestly, knowing this information myself still doesn't make me feel safer in some areas. 

 

[Matt Rogers]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 11:00pm

Pauly3 said: "Matt Rogers said: "And I stand by my statement that a truckload of right wing bigots have successfully infiltrated this site."

Can you point to two examples of expressed bigotry that support your statement?"

Okay, you wanna play? Let's play. Here we have a thread that was started by a right winger to cause a whole bunch of crap, and he succeeded. Here we have a bunch of spoiled, entitled, privileged individuals with enough money to pay $100, $200, $300, $400, or more dollars on theatre tickets, b*tching about the fact that they have to walk by people who have escaped terrible circumstances, looking for a better life, who have no money, no anything. But you might have to walk by some of them on your way to your multi million dollar Broadway show, so you are triggered. Most of these people didn't even want to be here. They were shipped here by that evil low life Texas governor. In any case (and this is not to you specifically, but to all the right wing trolls on this thread), enjoy your amazing Broadway shows, your pre-Broadway fancy dinners, and your $40.00 sippy cups of booze at the theatre while there are families sleeping on the streets a few blocks away. And then make sure to come on a social message board to b*tch about how they ruined your night. 

[gibsons2]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 11:33pm

Matt Rogers said: "gibsons2 said: "Matt Rogers said: "Well, it’s official. This site has finally been infiltrated by right wing bigots."

How many migrants are you personally hosting in your spare bedroom or living room, Matt? Given your extreme righteousness on this board, please do provide us with the exact number."

Oh, you got me there, genius! Bravo! You are oh so very clever! Did you take all night to come up with that little third grade quip? Take a bow!"

Oh, Mattie, Mattie... it's "ultra progressive" people like you who bash and shame people for having their own opinions based on objective facts, however it's also people like you who immediately give up their NYC rentals and move to suburbs or home town whenever crime goes up or massive protests break out. We've all seen these fake performative activists back in 2020. They all are gone or only now moving back because in person work becomes mandatory. New Yorkers who have lived through it all and about to endure another crisis are allowed to have an opinion.  

Updated On: 9/1/23 at 11:33 PM

[Matt Rogers]

Posted: 9/1/23 at 12:07am

gibsons2 said: "Matt Rogers said: "gibsons2 said: "Matt Rogers said: "Well, it’s official. This site has finally been infiltrated by right wing bigots."

How many migrants are you personally hosting in your spare bedroom or living room, Matt? Given your extreme righteousness on this board, please do provide us with the exact number."

Oh, you got me there, genius! Bravo! You are oh so very clever! Did you take all night to come up with that little third grade quip? Take a bow!"

Oh, Mattie, Mattie... it's "ultra progressive" people like you who bash and shame people for having their own opinions based on objective facts, however it's also people like you who immediately give up their NYC rentals and move to suburbs or home town whenever crime goes up or massive protests break out. We've all seen these performative activists back in 2020. They all are gone or only now moving back because in person work becomes mandatory. New Yorkers who have lived through it all and about to endure another crisis are allowed to have an opinion."

 I never knew how many right wing trolls were into Broadway. 

[gibsons2]

Posted: 9/1/23 at 12:15am

Matt Rogers said: "gibsons2 said: "Matt Rogers said: "gibsons2 said: "Matt Rogers said: "Well, it’s official. This site has finally been infiltrated by right wing bigots."

How many migrants are you personally hosting in your spare bedroom or living room, Matt? Given your extreme righteousness on this board, please do provide us with the exact number."

Oh, you got me there, genius! Bravo! You are oh so very clever! Did you take all night to come up with that little third grade quip? Take a bow!"

Oh, Mattie, Mattie... it's "ultra progressive" people like you who bash and shame people for having their own opinions based on objective facts, however it's also people like you who immediately give up their NYC rentals and move to suburbs or home town whenever crime goes up or massive protests break out. We've all seen these performative activists back in 2020. They all are gone or only now moving back because in person work becomes mandatory. New Yorkers who have lived through it all and about to endure another crisis are allowed to have an opinion."

I never knew how many right wing trolls were into Broadway."

Matt, does it physically hurt to be that  dense? I'm surely not a right wing troll, but a New Yorker for over 2 decades. Voted Democrat across the board in every election. You are in fact a troll, who is either tragically stupid or just a plain narcissist who doesn't accept the fact that people have different opinions. 

[Matt Rogers]

Posted: 9/1/23 at 12:24am

gibsons2 said: "Matt Rogers said: "gibsons2 said: "Matt Rogers said: "gibsons2 said: "Matt Rogers said: "Well, it’s official. This site has finally been infiltrated by right wing bigots."

How many migrants are you personally hosting in your spare bedroom or living room, Matt? Given your extreme righteousness on this board, please do provide us with the exact number."

Oh, you got me there, genius! Bravo! You are oh so very clever! Did you take all night to come up with that little third grade quip? Take a bow!"

Oh, Mattie, Mattie... it's "ultra progressive" people like you who bash and shame people for having their own opinions based on objective facts, however it's also people like you who immediately give up their NYC rentals and move to suburbs or home town whenever crime goes up or massive protests break out. We've all seen these performative activists back in 2020. They all are gone or only now moving back because in person work becomes mandatory. New Yorkers who have lived through it all and about to endure another crisis are allowed to have an opinion."

I never knew how many right wing trolls were into Broadway."

Matt, does it physically hurt to be that dense? I'm surely not a right wing troll, but a New Yorker for over 2 decades. Voted Democrat across the board in every election. You are in fact a troll, who is either tragically stupid or just a plain narcissist who doesn't accept the fact that people have different opinions."

That's right, sweetheart. Just enjoy your $250 Broadway show as you complain about immigrants blocking your path to get there. 

[Matt Rogers]

Posted: 9/1/23 at 12:43am

To be clear, this thread is 100% pathetic. A lot of privileged people blabbering about how they have to pass immigrants on their way to their multi-million Broadway show. Eating a $300.00 meal at Sardi's while people are sleeping on the streets nearby. 

A lot of you need to get a freaking grip and look within.

[binau]

Posted: 9/1/23 at 3:25am

I just think that’s so unfair. Look, I don’t know what is going on in NYC but I am finding it problematic when I ask innocent colleagues who travelled all the way from Europe how their trip was and they say they saw people actually injecting heroin in the street in Times Square. It is hard to justify why NYC is my fav city in the world with these stories. Like many so called ‘political’ issues it appears this needs a real serious discussion not the ridiculous emotion as illustrated in this thread where it appears we have to be branded either a stubborn left wing naïve person or a right wing bigoted racist, with no nuance or complexity in between. This is just stupid. 

Updated On: 9/1/23 at 03:25 AM

[BorisTomashevsky]

Posted: 9/1/23 at 5:22am

Matt, many of the people who keep Broadway alive are conservatives from conservative states. If they abandoned it outright, it would be in a worse position than it is now.

Broadway needs the conservative dollar. Be glad people are spending the money that they’re spending.

I’m not understanding what kind of world you actually want. 
 

[gibsons2]

Posted: 9/1/23 at 10:11am

Matt Rogers said: "To be clear, this thread is 100% pathetic. A lot of privileged people blabbering about how they have to pass immigrants on their way to their multi-million Broadway show. Eating a $300.00 meal at Sardi's while people are sleeping on the streets nearby.

A lot of you need to get a freaking grip and look within."

Matt, it has been explained multiple times here that complaints are coming from people having to work and commute through Times quare,  and 8th Avenue has become an encampment,  with sidewalks covered with trash and needles. Unattended children and sitting and sleeping people blocking the way are the safety issue. Once again, I repeat, since you might not still understand it, it is an issue for WORKING new Yorkers. I hope this helps.

Updated On: 9/1/23 at 10:11 AM

[DrMonicaDeMoneco]

Posted: 9/1/23 at 10:23am

Who started this stupid thread? 

[JSquared2]

Posted: 9/1/23 at 11:18am

Matt Rogers said: "To be clear, this thread is 100% pathetic. A lot of privileged people blabbering about how they have to pass immigrants on their way to their multi-million Broadway show. Eating a $300.00 meal at Sardi's while people are sleeping on the streets nearby.

And yet you keep coming back to post your naïve "head in the sand" blather.

 

[Pauly3]

Posted: 9/1/23 at 11:58am

Matt Rogers said: "Pauly3 said: "Matt Rogers said: "And I stand by my statement that a truckload of right wing bigots have successfully infiltrated this site."

Pauly3 said: Can you point to two examples of expressed bigotry that support your statement?"

Matt Rogers said: Okay, you wanna play? Let's play. Here we have a thread that was started by a right winger to cause a whole bunch of crap, and he succeeded. Here we have a bunch of spoiled, entitled, privileged individuals with enough money to pay $100, $200, $300, $400, or more dollars on theatre tickets, b*tching about the fact that they have to walk by people who have escaped terrible circumstances, looking for a better life, who have no money, no anything. But you might have to walk by some of them on your way to your multi million dollar Broadway show, so you are triggered. Most of these people didn't even want to be here. They were shipped here by that evil low life Texas governor. In any case (and this is not to you specifically, but to all the right wing trolls on this thread), enjoy your amazing Broadway shows, your pre-Broadway fancy dinners, and your $40.00 sippy cups of booze at the theatre while there are families sleeping on the streets a few blocks away. And then make sure to come on a social message board to b*tch about how they ruined your night."

 

The overall argument here is obviously more complex than you are making it.  And those who you oppose in this argument are from both the left and right.  You provided no credible examples of expressed bigotry.  You perceive bigotry and justify your outrage by simplifying what's being argued.  That's not helpful to your argument, and it certainly isn't going to lead to any conservative to look in the mirror.  The massive division in this country, whether political or racial or most anything else is largely due, I think, to the deteriorating discourse that has been declining for many years.  A significant issue contributing to this, as I see it, is demonstrated in the following quote:

"Some things are believed because they are demonstrably true, but many other things are believed simply because they have been asserted repeatedly."

Both the left and right are guilty of the latter.  The value of scrutiny and merit is lost on too many.  A trait more often than not of the left is to assign evilness to the opposition.  You did that here.  Others have too.  I don't believe there is a single example of someone on the right doing that in this thread.

This thread did not need to devolve into what it has.  The first couple of replies could have put this to bed and it would have become forgotten.  It wasn't those on the right that caused this discussion to go south.

[ghostlight2]

Posted: 9/1/23 at 12:36pm

This thread was started dishonestly by Broadway flash, oh-so-innocently asking for opinions, when they clearly had already stated their own 2 years before.  You add on Broadway Patriot, an anti masker/vaxxer, plus at least 2 posters who joined just to post on this thread.

Broadway has its problems. Producers' greed was the beginning. Covid was nearly the death blow. 

I have lived in NYC and worked in Times Square for decades. I've seen a lot in that time. Migrants are the tiniest part of the problem. Matt, ACL2006, and Kad are correct. 

This thread is embarrassing and the mods are asleep at the wheel. For those who agree with me, report the original post. This thread should be deleted or at least locked.

 

 

Updated On: 9/1/23 at 12:36 PM

[BroadwayPatriot]

Posted: 9/1/23 at 12:36pm

Matt Rogers said: "BroadwayPatriot said: "Matt Rogers said: "BroadwayPatriot said: "Matt Rogers said: "Well, it’s official. This site has finally been infiltrated by right wing bigots."

No not bigots or necessarily right wingers - people who are honest and not blinded by ideology- guess what ? I’m Hispanic - live in Bronx - work on Broadway in the theaters - I see this stuff- yeah there is a crisis - you are so loyal to your ideology - you can’t see reality - I’m not - I vote for republicans and democrats and voted for libertarians and Green Party - not ideological- so maybe take your blinders off and loyalty to D and progressive ideology for a moment"

I don’t believe one single thing in this post. Not one thing."

thahs your problem you live in a bubble - real people are not obsessed with R or D- real people are not married to an ideology - real people are open minded - yeah W44th was dangerous in the winter and fall - yes I work in Broadway - I’m here evey day - you probably walked right by me - you are damaged by political loyalty and ideology - no different than a Trump supporter- when I tell you my fellow union brother abc sister were attacked I mean it

"

Look everyone! A “patriot”! I think we know exactly what that false name means."

I don’t know man - seems to me you are all alone on this one- nobody owns the word “ patriot “ - I’m a pragmatic thinker not married to an ideology - you are so trained like a seal to think anyone who complains about the de-evolving situation on Broadway is a right winger - it’s silly- and judging by the response, most people understand- seeing with your own eyes what the area is rapidly becoming is not a political issue - it’s literally a matter of opening your eyes - the area is a mess, not just the migrants , I’ll give you that, it’s the gutter junkies , it’s the crime, which went down a little but is still bad, again I work in the Broadway theater industry , l know the beat cops , I know the situation, this is real , not a right wing fantasy , the Times Sq area is like the early 80s without the grind house theaters and porn theaters , the thing is back then police were allowed to stop people from shooting dope on the street , crashing on the floor in front of businesses, today they are not allowed, this is because of the political environment of local city council, I depend on Broadway to pay my bills, this fall the work will be sparse , nobody is beating down the doors to book all the Shubert houses , like only 8 of them are booked out of 17, until next year ,so yes, one of the reasons is less tourism , because people are afraid and not excited about coming here anymore. Screaming about the NY post and “ right wingers “ is your only response so far 

[TheQuibbler]

Posted: 9/1/23 at 12:48pm

I guess I’m having some trouble drawing the thread (or the blame) directly to the migrants.  I understand that’s where many are housed but the area around Port Authority has always been pretty unsavory. Are we sure the open drug use, needles, muggings, defecations, etc. are the migrants or rather a larger, broader NYC issue? Migrants seems like an easy scapegoat for what is probably a more complicated issue. 

[ghostlight2]

Posted: 9/1/23 at 12:50pm

"I don’t know man - seems to me you are all alone on this one"

No, Matt is not alone, Broadway Patriot, and if you are really someone who works on Broadway, I don't know how you got by as an anti-vaxx/masker.

 

eta: the quibbler is spot on. 

Updated On: 9/1/23 at 12:50 PM

[BroadwayPatriot]

Posted: 9/1/23 at 1:02pm

ghostlight2 said: ""I don’t know man - seems to me you are all alone on this one"

No, Matt is not alone, Broadway Ptriot, and if you are really someone who works on Broadway, I don't know how you got by as an anti-vaxx/masker."

Funny you mentioned that, I got COVID twice with the masks and the vaccines, you might want to wonder why they lifted the restrictions, they did not prevent workers from getting sick..... I have not even had a runny nose since the mandates have been lifted, however some people are still coming down with COVID, however the percentages were much, much higher, when we were wearing masks and only the vaccinated were allowed to come to theaters, as far as  I know workers still have to be vaxcinated, I supported it all, until I got sick the first time.  I would not say I'm "anti", i had an open mind, I obeyed the mandates,took 3 vaccines, wore masks..... but then  I got sick with COVID twice.... I'm not one of those "true believer" types, when I saw firsthand, the restrictions  and vaccines did not protect me, I chnged my views on all of it.....That is how nornal people think.

The world is more complex than what MSNBC, FOX News NY Times, WaPo, Breitbart, Newsmax and CNN present. Most people are not married to an ideology, married to mantras, married to a set way of thinking, we change our views based on experience. 

 

 

[BroadwayPatriot]

Posted: 9/1/23 at 1:10pm

ghostlight2 said: "This thread was started dishonestly by Broadway flash, oh-so-innocently asking for opinions, when they clearly had already stated their own 2 years before. You add on Broadway Patriot, an anti masker/vaxxer, plus at least 2 posters who joined just to post on this thread.

Broadway has its problems. Producers' greed was the beginning. Covid was nearly the death blow.

I have lived in NYC and worked on Broadway for decades. I've seen a lot in that time. Migrants are the tiniest part of the problem. Matt, ACL2006, and Kad are correct.

This thread is embarrassing and the mods are asleep at the wheel. For those who agree with me, report the original post. This thread should be deleted or at least locked.


You don't understand message boards and web traffic, a good thread gets a lot of views and replies, so you may not like the thread, anyone who runs a site and sees interest and interaction , would have no reason to lock it. This has been a civil and grerat discussion, I can tolerate others views, even those I vehemently dispute, this is how things should work, people stating their views and people responding without horrible insults. Only a tyrant would want to shut it down, because they do not like the topic. If you don't like the topic, go to another thread . Look you and Rogers can not tolerate other views and topics they disagree with, all you guys have done so far is complain to the mods to "shut it down" and called eveyone "right wingers"...... Thus isthe result of too much cable news TV....  
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[Pauly3]

Posted: 9/1/23 at 1:26pm

ghostlight2 said: "This thread is embarrassing and the mods are asleep at the wheel. For those who agree with me, report the original post. This thread should be deleted or at least locked."

This thread is embarrassing, but only for those arguing from the narrow and false standpoint that there is disgust of the mere presence of migrants.  There is no justification for the mods to do anything.  Shutting down debate is yet another trait, more often than not, of the left.  Indeed, embarrassment is warranted.