Is the migrant crisis affecting broadway?

[Broadway Flash]

Posted: 8/29/23 at 10:32pm

could it be preventing people from coming to the city?  what are your thoughts on this?  

[TotallyEffed]

Posted: 8/29/23 at 10:45pm

No. Besides living in a post-COVID world, the shows Broadway has offered in the last few years just aren’t that good or appealing and they are extremely expensive.

 

That is my take.

[ErmengardeStopSniveling]

Posted: 8/29/23 at 10:48pm

Surely not.

If anyone's not coming in, it's because they were looking for an excuse not to (it's too expensive, I don't like driving here, there aren't shows I want to see, etc)

As with the fear-mongering news reports surrounding crime, this is mostly just conservative dog-whistling. For the average New Yorker, the city is no different than it was before the so-called "migrant crisis."

Updated On: 8/29/23 at 10:48 PM

[Mr. Wormwood]

Posted: 8/29/23 at 10:52pm

The type of people who are foolish enough to believe NYC is too scary to come to are not the type of people who would be seeing a Broadway show anyway...

[bwaylyric]

Posted: 8/29/23 at 10:58pm

No. The homeless, druggies, mentally ill, aggressive costumed folk, rising crime, and high costs already existed around the theater district before this migrant crisis. 

[Dylan Smith4]

Posted: 8/29/23 at 11:28pm

Here we go again with another pointless discussion! Moderators, delete this thread please!

 

[Impeach2017]

Posted: 8/30/23 at 12:10am

Oh look, another wingnut who reads too much NY Post and other fascist hateful rags.

[ghostlight2]

Posted: 8/30/23 at 1:11am

I agree the thread should be deleted, but it's ineffective to get the mods to delete a thread by asking for it in a post. You have to use the "report post to the mods" button.

The OP doesn't want s discussion. They are anti-migrant.

Here are a couple posts from OP on the off topic board a couple years ago:

the border crisis  Mar 17 2021, 02:59:43 AM

I think new adults and families coming to the border are being expelled, its the minors that's the issue.  I don't understand why the administration doesn't return them to their home countries.



the border crisis  Mar 16 2021, 09:41:27 PM

if this doesn't end soon, we are going to get wiped out in the midterms!! why aren't they being returned back to their countries??

 

Updated On: 8/30/23 at 01:11 AM

[BJR]

Posted: 8/30/23 at 8:03am

I live in NYC and near Times Square ... what migrant crisis?

[Dylan Smith4]

Posted: 8/30/23 at 8:08am

Impeach2017 said: "Oh look, another wingnut who reads too much NY Post and other fascist hateful rags."

I don’t read NY Post or whatever else you’re talking about. I was stating the fact that the original poster of this thread started yet another pointless discussion that is not needed. This is the same person who asked if the Marriot Marquis would ever be demolished, FYI.

[Voter]

Posted: 8/30/23 at 8:12am

To be fair… have any of you walked down 8th Ave between 43rd and 46th? Especially on a matinee day? You can’t say there’s not an impact when you’re dodging kids on scooters on the sidewalk.

I’m not without empathy, but putting your head in the sand isn’t the answer either. I live in HK and work in TS, there is a noticeable difference through the last year.

[BorisTomashevsky]

Posted: 8/30/23 at 9:24am

Voter makes a really astute point. Some commenters here (to keep things Broadway) are closing their eyes to a situation they do not wish to acknowledge.

8th Avenue used to be bearable to walk down. Now you really have to steel yourself as you dodge the scooters and the loiterers (sounds innocuous but when there’s a bunch of people just standing around in clumps, smoking marijuana, while others are trying to get to/from somewhere, it’s a lot). Add to that the trash just thrown anywhere and everywhere, plus the smell of urine? I can see how anyone walking from the A train exit to a Broadway show would think “Not doing this again”.

And sure, crime and drugs etc aren’t new. But they’ve increased. Lockdowns and free money brought an attitude of “nothing really matters and things should be given to me”. It didn’t bring the attitude to everyone, but to many. The disregard for the peace of others is really present. You think bad audience behavior is the only change in conduct? It’s happened at all levels. Okay, not everyone is robbed or slashed in midtown, but there’s more of it happening than before 2020.
 

Migrant crisis? It exists. That’ll be the kids I have to step over on the welcome mat of the Row Hotel. The Catholic school on Staten Island being used as a migrant center. 

And trust, the people saying it’s no different from before will be the first to scream “It shouldn’t have been allowed to get this way!” when they find themselves in a sticky situation.

 

[TotallyEffed]

Posted: 8/30/23 at 9:28am

Updated On: 8/30/23 at 09:28 AM

[Broadway Flash]

Posted: 8/30/23 at 9:40am

Yes. 

[bwayphreak234]

Posted: 8/30/23 at 9:47am

Voter said: "To be fair… have any of you walked down 8th Ave between 43rd and 46th? Especially on a matinee day? You can’t say there’s not an impact when you’re dodging kids on scooters on the sidewalk.

I’m not without empathy, but putting your head in the sand isn’t the answer either. I live in HK and work in TS, there is a noticeable difference through the last year."

I have to agree with Voter. Walking past what used to be The Row is now a nightmare.

[verywellthensigh]

Posted: 8/30/23 at 10:47am

I'm confused about how scooters are indicative of those dirty, dirty migrants with all their trash and devil weed. 

[sinister teashop]

Posted: 8/30/23 at 11:16am

Migrant crises, like climate change, are a global issue now. Most of the places tourists are coming from have their own migrant crises. 

I do agree that the area on 42nd St to the West of Port Authority is a mess. I think that has more to do with fentanyl than migrant crises. 

Updated On: 8/30/23 at 11:16 AM

[Broadway Flash]

Posted: 8/30/23 at 12:00pm

verywellthensigh said: "I'm confused about how scooters are indicative of those dirty, dirty migrants with all their trash and devil weed."

Because they all hang out across the street from The Row hotel. They’re there with toddlers running around and teens smoking weed, and kids riding scooters. trash everywhere. It’s a migrant encampment, not regular New Yorkers going about their day. So that’s how we know. 

[gibsons2]

Posted: 8/30/23 at 12:39pm

sinister teashop said: "Migrant crises, like climate change, are a global issue now. Most of the places tourists are coming from have their own migrant crises.

I do agree that the area on 42nd St to the West of Port Authority is a mess. I think that has more to do with fentanyl than migrant crises."

Fentanyl addicts hang out by the 34th street. 8th ave between PABT and roughly 50th street definitely looks like an migrant encampment. If you live and work in NYC and commute via 42st, you have noticed the change. And we notice these things not because we are NY Post reading fascists (we're not), it's because we have eyes.

[TotallyEffed]

Posted: 8/30/23 at 12:53pm

Broadway Flash said: "Yes."

Evidence of this? Would love to hear why you think the mess on 8th Avenue should be blamed on immigrants. G'head, I'm listening,

[Voter]

Posted: 8/30/23 at 1:00pm

TotallyEffed said: "Broadway Flash said: "Yes."

Evidence of this? Would love to hear why you think the mess on 8th Avenue should be blamed on immigrants. G'head, I'm listening,"

What? What everyone else already wrote wasn’t enough?

[gibsons2]

Posted: 8/30/23 at 1:03pm

TotallyEffed said: "Broadway Flash said: "Yes."

Evidence of this? Would love to hear why you think the mess on 8th Avenue should be blamed on immigrants. G'head, I'm listening,"

I suggest you go and visit the 42-50thstreets/8th ave stretch any time today to see for yourself. You were even provided the exact location

Updated On: 8/30/23 at 01:03 PM

[JSquared2]

Posted: 8/30/23 at 1:06pm

TotallyEffed said: "Broadway Flash said: "Yes."

Evidence of this? Would love to hear why you think the mess on 8th Avenue should be blamed on immigrants. G'head, I'm listening,"

 

Have you not been in the theatre district over the last few months?  Go take a look at the sidewalks in front of The Row and across the street along 8th Avenue -- it's a 24/7 outdoor party for the hotel "residents".

 

[TotallyEffed]

Posted: 8/30/23 at 1:07pm

My issue is the assumption that someone is an immigrant because of the way they look. And the implication is that they are a troublesome or bothersome immigrant. I clearly see the change on 8th Avenue but I haven't had any issue with kids on scooters. The comments on here are just sounding a lot like Fox News and the original question was if "migrant crisis" is affecting Broadway. I want to challenge some of the problematic comments I've read in this thread.

[Bettyboy72]

Posted: 8/30/23 at 1:18pm

I've been to NYC many times since the "crisis" began. At one point, I stayed at the Row which was housing migrants at the time. There were no issues.

I think what does impact Broadway is the closing of the Row. It had the most hotel rooms in midtown. Many people I know who went a few times a year for theatre pilgrimages liked the hotel because it was affordable and close to all the theatre. Many were elderly and appreciated the short walks. It wasn't luxurious, but it was clean, close and affordable. It's closing raised prices of other hotels because now rooms were more scarce. 

So essentially if you convert a huge hotel to residences it will impact the volume of a neighborhood.