Is the migrant crisis affecting broadway?- Page 4

[gibsons2]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 3:27pm

SeanD2 said: "Everybody says they miss the days when Broadway was creating shows like Chorus Line and the Sondheim/Prince collaborations, well part of that was a dangerous and crime-ridden Times Square."

Is there correlation between creativity and crime rate? What??... I swear some of you here are truly disturbed or lack critical thinking abilities altogether.

[gibsons2]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 3:40pm

Matt Rogers said: "Well, it’s official. This site has finally been infiltrated by right wing bigots."

How many migrants are you personally hosting in your spare bedroom or living room, Matt? Given your extreme righteousness on this board, please do provide us with the exact number. 

[Kad]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 3:42pm

Pauly3 said: "You folks here are entertaining and never disappoint when it comes to discussing anything politically controversial. It's interesting that conservatives or "non-lefties", if not entirely, mostly offer an opinion without attacking the lefties for simply being on the left. Contrast that with what the lefties too often do. The lefties, as demonstrated here, will either attack the opposing side for simply being on the opposing side or avoid the argument, throw out a quip and stick their heads in the sand....or both. And requesting a perceived pointless topic to be deleted is absurd. Why is the merit of an argument so offensive to so many of you? To be fair, some on the left do make an earnest attempt at discussing the merits of the argument, but my gosh, do you not see the absurdity with so many willingly participating here but avoiding the argument? In fact, they are attempting squash any argument. "Get in line, else you're an evil POS?", isn't that what you're really saying?

Kad said: "I am shocked, shocked!,by which members are most disturbed by the increased presence of immigrants in midtown."

This quoted comment is absurd. I know Kad is not stupid. To the contrary, he is quite intelligent. Unreasonable though, he is. The "presence of immigrants" bothers no one here. It's the fact these immigrants came here illegally AND they are putting a burden on the tax payers the tax payers did not sign up for. There are significant problems to be dealt with, and "putting your head in the sand", jumping up and down and being appalled by those who believe the rule of law is significantly important is simply unreasonable."

I’m sorry, the entire first page of this thread is entirely members griping about the mere presence of these people. There is no mention of burden on tax payers or any other sociopolitical issue attached to their presence.

Nobody here has said things are great or that there isn’t an issue- there is a glaring issue. America is too large and too wealthy of a nation to have thousands of folks in temporary housing at best out on the streets of its largest city. It’s too large and too wealthy to have as many homeless people, as well.
 

I object to the disdain and disgust so many here have expressed and the blame so many here have freely put on these people instead of on the massive bipartisan failures that have led to them being here. You think the young mothers and their little kids selling candy in the subways nowadays wanted this? You think they actively schemed to be a burden on tax payers?  Absurd. These people are not your enemies, they are not invaders, and they are not human garbage. They’ve been turned into a political hot potato. 

[BroadwayPatriot]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 3:54pm

SeanD2 said: "Everybody says they miss the days when Broadway was creating shows like Chorus Line and the Sondheim/Prince collaborations, well part of that was a dangerous and crime-ridden Times Square."

It was worse then - but Times Square was the top spot for b movies - grind house and porn- it was interesting- today it’s restaurants closing at 9 pm and empty store fronts and target - at least in the old days it was fun and dangerous- now it’s depressing empty and sketch 

[jpbran]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 4:00pm

It so far hasn’t changed my travel plans or spending (three trips this yr), but I’ve definitely noticed an uneasy difference. Was there a month ago and my 10-yr old daughter got to see two peni$es on the street in less than 48 hrs. That was fun. :-/  Also saw a woman $hitting on 50th, but was able to steer around so that I was the only one who got that show. That’s a LOT for 2 mostly daylight days — and way beyond any of my dozens of other trips (usually just husband & me; not kid). Have noticed a post-pandemic (well, abated pandemic) change for sure, but this late July trip was… beyond. No idea who to “blame” so not even gonna try. Just sad. 

[Broadway Flash]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 4:32pm

Well, they can all go to your house, Kad.

[Pauly3]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 4:34pm

Kad said: "I’m sorry, the entire first page of this thread is entirely members griping about the mere presence of these people. There is no mention of burden on tax payers or any other sociopolitical issue attached to their presence.

Nobody here has said things are great or that there isn’t an issue- there is a glaring issue. America is too large and too wealthy of a nation to have thousands of folks in temporary housing at best out on the streets of its largest city. It’s too large and too wealthy to have as many homeless people, as well.


I object to the disdain and disgust so many here have expressed and the blame so many here have freely put on these people instead of on the massive bipartisan failures that have led to them being here. You think the young mothers and their little kids selling candy in the subways nowadays wanted this? You think they actively schemed to be a burden on tax payers? Absurd. These people are not your enemies, they are not invaders, and they are not human garbage. They’ve been turned into a political hot potato."

 

Please.  No remotely reasonable person, with a few seconds of thought, would conclude people posting on the first page are upset by the mere presence of immigrants.  Did those posters really need to spell out additional context?  There are also plenty of posts indicating valid concerns.  And no one believes young mothers and their little kids selling candy in subways wanted this.  No one said or implied these immigrants, illegal or otherwise, were human garbage.  You are arguing against points that do not exist.

[Kad]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 4:35pm

Broadway Flash said: "Well, they can all go to your house, Kad."

If I had enormous wealth, I would absolutely be generous with it. I don’t. I do what I can. What the **** do you do, aside from pop onto this board and post inane trolling questions? 

[Kad]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 4:40pm

Pauly3 said: "Kad said: "I’m sorry, the entire first page of this thread is entirely members griping about the mere presence of these people. There is no mention of burden on tax payers or any other sociopolitical issue attached to their presence.

Nobody here has said things are great or that there isn’t an issue- there is a glaring issue. America is too large and too wealthy of a nation to have thousands of folks in temporary housing at best out on the streets of its largest city. It’s too large and too wealthy to have as many homeless people, as well.


I object to the disdain and disgust so many here have expressed and the blame so many here have freely put on these people instead of on the massive bipartisan failures that have led to them being here. You think the young mothers and their little kids selling candy in the subways nowadays wanted this? You think they actively schemed to be a burden on tax payers? Absurd. These people are not your enemies, they are not invaders, and they are not human garbage. They’ve been turned into a political hot potato."



Please. No remotely reasonable person, with a few seconds of thought, would conclude people posting on the first page are upset by the mere presence of immigrants. Did those posters really need to spell out additional context? There are also plenty of posts indicating valid concerns. And no one believes young mothers and their little kids selling candy in subways wanted this. No one said or implied these immigrants, illegal or otherwise, were human garbage. You are arguing against points that do not exist."

The main grievances on the first page can be summed up as “kids on scooters and people smoking weed and we know they’re immigrants because they’re outside of the Row.” Those are literally the complaints. 

[JSquared2]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 4:44pm

Kad said: "Pauly3 said: "Kad said: "I’m sorry, the entire first page of this thread is entirely members griping about the mere presence of these people. There is no mention of burden on tax payers or any other sociopolitical issue attached to their presence.

Nobody here has said things are great or that there isn’t an issue- there is a glaring issue. America is too large and too wealthy of a nation to have thousands of folks in temporary housing at best out on the streets of its largest city. It’s too large and too wealthy to have as many homeless people, as well.


I object to the disdain and disgust so many here have expressed and the blame so many here have freely put on these people instead of on the massive bipartisan failures that have led to them being here. You think the young mothers and their little kids selling candy in the subways nowadays wanted this? You think they actively schemed to be a burden on tax payers? Absurd. These people are not your enemies, they are not invaders, and they are not human garbage. They’ve been turned into a political hot potato."



Please. No remotely reasonable person, with a few seconds of thought, would conclude people posting on the first page are upset by the mere presence of immigrants. Did those posters really need to spell out additional context? There are also plenty of posts indicating valid concerns. And no one believes young mothers and their little kids selling candy in subways wanted this. No one said or implied these immigrants, illegal or otherwise, were human garbage. You are arguing against points that do not exist."

The main grievances on the first page can be summed up as “kids on scooters and people smoking weed and we know they’re immigrants because they’re outside of the Row.” Those are literally the complaints."

 

Let me guess, Kad -- you're one of the ones who do not live here?  

[TotallyEffed]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 5:06pm

JSquared2 said: "Let me guess, Kad -- you're one of the ones who do not live here?"

 

Guess again, Kad has lived in New York City for many years.

[Pauly3]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 5:39pm

Kad said: "The main grievances on the first page can be summed up as “kids on scooters and people smoking weed and we know they’re immigrants because they’re outside of the Row.” Those are literally the complaints."

The complaints could have been better stated, yes.  Your shock was unwarranted still.

[Matt Rogers]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 5:59pm

BroadwayPatriot said: "I work front of house - I can reveal to you last fall two FOH workers from theaters on west 44th were robbed by the migrants near the Row- both times using a decoy to distract and another person coming at them with a weapon - they will not tell you this - it was swept under the rug - it was last December - yes it’s a crisis- anyone who tells you otherwise is not being intellectually honest - because admitting the crisis makes the president look bad- so they will never admit it - Republican would do the same thing if current president was Republican- loyalty to ideology and political affiliation is a cancer to thinking rationally - it’s dangerous - the migrant situation is a mess - it’s costly - it’s unfair to tax payers - and a decent amount of the “ migrants” are freeloaders who are using this as an opportunity to party in hotel rooms - this is verified if you speak to hotel workers and some of them are violent - not most - a minority - still to deny the issue is lunacy and it’s only done because someone who is a “ Democrat “ or “ left” won’t concede to the criticism and of a failed policy of the brand they are loyal to- on this case Democrat, liberal, left , or Biden"

Good lord. 

[Matt Rogers]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 6:02pm

BroadwayPatriot said: "Impeach2017 said: "Oh look, another wingnut who reads too much NY Post and other fascist hateful rags."

No your an ideologue- blinded by loyalty to a party and politician - the migrant thing is real - tell my two co workers on Broadway who were assaulted and robbed by migrants from the row - how they are “ wingnuts” - these are real people - real people don’t obsess over R and D- your caught up in this garbage and it clouds your ability to think"

I don’t believe what you are saying for a second. If what you said really happened, it would have been the cover story of the NY Post the next day. Calm the F down, get a grip, stop lying, and enjoy your lovely home on Staten Island. 

[Matt Rogers]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 6:04pm

BroadwayPatriot said: "Matt Rogers said: "Well, it’s official. This site has finally been infiltrated by right wing bigots."

No not bigots or necessarily right wingers - people who are honest and not blinded by ideology- guess what ? I’m Hispanic - live in Bronx - work on Broadway in the theaters - I see this stuff- yeah there is a crisis - you are so loyal to your ideology - you can’t see reality - I’m not - I vote for republicans and democrats and voted for libertarians and Green Party - not ideological- so maybe take your blinders off and loyalty to D and progressive ideology for a moment"

I don’t believe one single thing in this post. Not one thing. 

[DaveyG]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 6:08pm

Hey moderators, delete this thread. It's not about theatre. 

[Matt Rogers]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 6:10pm

gibsons2 said: "Matt Rogers said: "Well, it’s official. This site has finally been infiltrated by right wing bigots."

How many migrants are you personally hosting in your spare bedroom or living room, Matt? Given your extreme righteousness on this board, please do provide us with the exact number."

Oh, you got me there, genius! Bravo! You are oh so very clever! Did you take all night to come up with that little third grade quip? Take a bow! 

[Matt Rogers]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 6:13pm

Broadway Flash said: "Well, they can all go to your house, Kad."

You’re not very clever with quips, are you, hun? 

[BorisTomashevsky]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 6:54pm

Next he’ll be saying that the criminals were the true victims, just good old boys didn’t mean no harm. They coulda been doctors! They coulda been astronauts! 
 

Even if the story had been in the Post, you wouldn’t have believed it. Face it, there are problems in NYC. Enough different people here have described them. 

 

Updated On: 8/31/23 at 06:54 PM

[Dylan Smith4]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 7:13pm

See, this is what I mean by a useless discussion topic! Broadway Flash, you need to find better topics to discuss on this platform. Your constant trolling is not needed on here! 

[Matt Rogers]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 7:15pm

BorisTomashevsky said: "Next he’ll be saying that the criminals were the true victims, just good old boys didn’t mean no harm. They coulda been doctors! They coulda been astronauts!


Even if the story had been in the Post, you wouldn’t have believed it. Face it, there are problems in NYC. Enough different people here have described them.

"

Try quoting a post next time so people know what you are referring to. And I stand by my statement that a truckload of right wing bigots have successfully infiltrated this site. 

[Dylan Smith4]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 7:23pm

Matt Rogers said: "And I stand by my statement that a truckload of right wing bigots have successfully infiltrated this site."

If only the mods could remove them. Their presence on here is toxic!

[BroadwayPatriot]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 7:29pm

Matt Rogers said: "BroadwayPatriot said: "Matt Rogers said: "Well, it’s official. This site has finally been infiltrated by right wing bigots."

No not bigots or necessarily right wingers - people who are honest and not blinded by ideology- guess what ? I’m Hispanic - live in Bronx - work on Broadway in the theaters - I see this stuff- yeah there is a crisis - you are so loyal to your ideology - you can’t see reality - I’m not - I vote for republicans and democrats and voted for libertarians and Green Party - not ideological- so maybe take your blinders off and loyalty to D and progressive ideology for a moment"

I don’t believe one single thing in this post. Not one thing."

thahs your problem you live in a bubble - real people are not obsessed with R or D- real people are not married to an ideology - real people are open minded - yeah W44th was dangerous in the winter and fall - yes I work in Broadway - I’m here evey day - you probably walked right by me - you are damaged by political loyalty and ideology - no different than a Trump supporter- when I tell you my fellow union brother abc sister were attacked I mean it 

 

[Pauly3]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 7:29pm

Matt Rogers said: "And I stand by my statement that a truckload of right wing bigots have successfully infiltrated this site."

Can you point to two examples of expressed bigotry that support your statement?

[uncageg]

Posted: 8/31/23 at 7:37pm

I mentioned two people who were jumped at the row in my comments. Yes, they were Broadway workers and are quite possibly the same two mentioned by BP. And no, it would not necessarily be front page news. I am quite sure a lot of incidents like this happen and it doesn't hit the news. I have had them happen to friends in the past.