Kristin Chenoweth and recent events- Page 5

[gibsons2]

Posted: 9/12/25 at 10:50am

Jordan Catalano said: "So it’s solely up to the Left to change the culture of the Right?"

We are always held to much higher scrutiny and standards for some reason. While racist and murderous right has no desire to change their violent nature.

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 9/12/25 at 11:06am

I think it’s always about asking yourself what goal are we trying to achieve?

No "we". You aren't a citizen in this country. You don't vote here. You don't live here. Obsess over your own problematic country cuz yikes.

And yeah, all the posters on here are terrorists because they don't agree with you. Totally. That's some tight logic. 

GET.A.LIFE.

[binau]

Posted: 9/12/25 at 11:09am

Sutton, you’re being extremely disingenuous. If you agree that Charlie Kirk should have faced violence for his political views - which you just did on the off topic board - you hold terrorist attitudes. It’s just a logical necessary conclusion because that is what terrorism is. Now what you’ve done is twisted the whole thing to make it seem like if someone doesn’t agree with me generally. 
 

If you believe political violence is legitimate you are harbouring terrorist attitudes in your mind by definition. At least acknowledge this. 

[kdogg36]

Posted: 9/12/25 at 11:14am

BorisTomashevsky said: "The tolerant left"

I embrace tolerance - and not only tolerance, but warm acceptance, even celebration - for people of of every race, ethnicity, nationality, orientation, or gender identity (this isn't intended to be an exhaustive list). These are inherent qualities that have no bearing on a person's right to dignity and respect. 

On the other hand, when it comes to non-inherent things like political or religious opinion or chosen group membership, my attitude is: prepare to be judged, for better or for worse. (I expect people to do the same of me, and they frequently do, including on this site.)

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 9/12/25 at 11:28am

binau said: "Do you want to be part of the problem, or do you want to be part of the solution? If you are saying that violence is acceptable and now part of the culture, it means that now no one can speak freely and that would include activists on all sides of the political spectrum.

To me, the fact that you can’t agree to the statement and say they are ‘games’ is telling.

All it takes is for you to condemn what happened using whatever words you want to use that emphasise there can be no violence towards free expression of political views, no matter how much you disagree with them (that’s the point).

Basically every democrat leader has done this because they know this is the only way we can move forward.

Will you, in your own words, condemn the shooting and agree that freedom of expression of political views cannot face violence or threats of violence?

 

It's giving if we all just sort our recycling we can take care of climate change. I am a Rando in the streets just like you are. What we believe and what we say as Randos mean nothing. Advocate for increased mental health care, push for politicians to actually do something about Gun Violence. Actually push for things that will stop it or decrease it. Don't do this morality **** of "Just say political violence is never okay!" Because it's here. It's been here. Unless you do something to substantially address it it will continue. That is my statement. 

If we all can’t accept this, I think we are in for a very dark decade. Watch a right wing extremist shoot an LGBT activist soon and say ‘but Charlie Kirk’ Then I expect we’ll see another right wing hit and the cycle of violence continues. The cycle of violence must end. You are putting lives at risk.

LGBT (especially Trans individuals) people are being killed in the street every f*cking day. Save it. His life isn't worth anything more because he was an activist nor would an LGBT activist be more important or impactful than any of them who are currently losing their lives.

Condemnation of political violence is an attempt to save THEIR asses.

Updated On: 9/12/25 at 11:28 AM

[kdogg36]

Posted: 9/12/25 at 11:29am

iluvtheatertrash said: "Additionally, you can disagree with everything Kirk said and still believe he did not deserve to be executed like that."

I don't follow Chenoweth, but does she regularly acknowledge and mourn murder victims on her social media? I honestly don't know. If the answer is "no," then it's very telling that someone would think that Charlie Kirk, of all people, would deserve special mention. (If the answer is "yes," then of course this analysis doesn't apply.

[kdogg36]

Posted: 9/12/25 at 11:31am

binau said: "If it’s ignored I think it’s clear what is going on here."

If it's ignored, it's clear that we're ignoring you as an individual.

[Sutton Ross]

Posted: 9/12/25 at 11:32am

John Adams said: "binau said: "Why ... true?"

Troll. Edited."

Mr. Adams, I applaud you for handling him so well! He harassed you at least half a dozen times while trying to force his delusional words onto you and make you agree, which is WILD and manic behavior. Love it.

Down Under MAGAt, everyone who is disagreeing with you on this thread and calling you out on your horrendous bull*hit is brighter, smarter, and better than you'll ever be. Because they have lives outside this board and outside American politics. aT lEaSt AcKnOwLeDgE tHiS.

Updated On: 9/12/25 at 11:32 AM

[binau]

Posted: 9/12/25 at 11:47am

Sutton, you are unhinged. Most people except for you have at least acknowledged they condemn the violence even if they have no sympathy for his death. 

You have said that you support the violence, so you support terrorist attitudes. 

theatrefan4 - thanks for being honest. I think it’s implicit in therefore what you are saying that you think violence is a legitimate political strategy. I am saddened to hear that - I know it might not feel like terrorism but all terrorists believe their actions are morally justified. It doesn’t feel like terrorism from the insider, from the inside it’s what you described it feels like a moral good. 

I now see why some of you had a problem agreeing to this. Ok, it’s ugly to watch and it saddens me that this board has ideological thinking that is so extreme that it would support terrorism. 
 

It’s important we had this discussion and it’s at least exposed. 
 

also I’m not a MAGA I align with someone like bill Maher. This is the common mistake of left wing people thinking anyone criticism means they are MAGA. 

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 9/12/25 at 12:16pm

binau said: "theatrefan4 - thanks for being honest. I think it’s implicit in therefore what you are saying that you think violence is a legitimate political strategy. I am saddened to hear that - I know it might not feel like terrorism but all terrorists believe their actions are morally justified. It doesn’t feel like terrorism from the insider, from the inside it’s what you described it feels like a moral good.

I now see why some of you had a problem agreeing to this. Ok, it’s ugly to watch and it saddens me that this board has ideological thinking that is so extreme that it would support terrorism.
 

I'm dreadfully sorry that I'm not able to dance for you. This is administration is nothing but violence and threats of violence, maybe focus on that and not a man becoming a statistic he himself defended.

also I’m not a MAGA I align with someone like bill Maher. This is the common mistake of left wing people thinking anyone criticism means they are MAGA."

So you're just an asshole like Bill Maher. 

[Huss417]

Posted: 9/12/25 at 12:23pm

BorisTomashevsky said: "The tolerant left just can’t let a good assassination tribute go to waste. They absolutely obliterated the comments section of Brittany Johnson’s post."

Pretty disgusting thing to say but at this point I wouldn't expect anything less from you.

[binau]

Posted: 9/12/25 at 12:28pm

I don’t know what people think of Bill Maher but I am sympathetic to his ideas yes. 

I think you’re confused if you believe that trying to get us all to agree political violence is not ok means defending Charlie Kirk. What I’m really trying to do is first get some of you to see that we do have very extreme attitudes here that are the literal definition of terrorism (can we all just sit for a moment and reflect what we think the implication of this is if we scale this to the entire population?). 
 

And second think about where you see this going as a result. You’re openly supporting political violence against people who have different views to you who have the backing of a tyrannical government that has the federal government and judicial system ready to attack. And against a segment of the population who have guns. Lots of guns.  Do you think this is going to end well? Do you think this is going to work? Do you not think getting behind some of the good democratic leaders who are showing a bit of promise (eg Gavin Newsom) and participating in the normal democratic process might be a better idea?

 

Updated On: 9/12/25 at 12:28 PM

[BorisTomashevsky]

Posted: 9/12/25 at 12:36pm

Huss417 said: "BorisTomashevsky said: "The tolerant left just can’t let a good assassination tribute go to waste. They absolutely obliterated the comments section of Brittany Johnson’s post."

Pretty disgusting thing to say but at this point I wouldn't expect anything less from you."

The disgust is when theatre fans berate a person who’s trying to show kindness to a grieving family. 

[KarenValentine'sheadband]

Posted: 9/12/25 at 12:48pm

BorisTomashevsky said: "Huss417 said: "BorisTomashevsky said: "The tolerant left just can’t let a good assassination tribute go to waste. They absolutely obliterated the comments section of Brittany Johnson’s post."

Pretty disgusting thing to say but at this point I wouldn't expect anything less from you."

The disgust is when theatre fans berate a person who’s trying to show kindness to a grieving family."

 

Did you show that same kindness to those non-conservatives when tragedy happened? Somehow I believe you were silent during those times. Your ilk usually are. 

 

[SteveSanders]

Posted: 9/12/25 at 12:50pm

For those who like a little data, reasoning, and evidence related to left-wing and right-wing acts of politically-motivated violence, this NIH report is a good primer:

An excerpt:

"Much of this research suggests that compared to left-wing extremists, right-wing extremists may be more likely to engage in politically motivated violence (emphasis added). In comparison to left-wing supporters, right-wing individuals are more often characterized by closed-mindedness and dogmatism (9) and a heightened need for order, structure, and cognitive closure (5). Because such characteristics have been found to increase in-group bias and lead to greater out-group hostility (10), violence for a cause may be more likely among proponents of right-wing ideologies. In contrast, in comparison to their right-wing counterparts, left-wing individuals score higher on openness to new experiences, cognitive complexity, and tolerance of uncertainty (5). They are also less likely to support social dominance (11), which could lead to their overall lower likelihood to use violence against adversaries. In line with this reasoning, some studies have demonstrated an empathy gap between liberal and conservative individuals (12)."

 

Updated On: 9/12/25 at 12:50 PM

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 9/12/25 at 12:53pm

binau said: "I don’t know what people think of Bill Maher but I am sympathetic to his ideas yes.

I think you’re confused if you believe that trying to get us all to agree political violence is not ok means defending Charlie Kirk. What I’m really trying to do is first get some of you to see that we do have very extreme attitudes here that are the literal definition of terrorism (can we all just sit for a moment and reflect what we think the implication of this is if we scale this to the entire population?).


And second think about where you see this going as a result. You’re openly supporting political violence against people who have different views to you who have the backing of a tyrannical government that has the federal government and judicial system ready to attack. And against a segment of the population who have guns. Lots of guns.Do you think this is going to end well? Do you think this is going to work? Do you not think getting behind some of the good democratic leaders who are showing a bit of promise (eg Gavin Newsom) and participating in the normal democratic process might be a better idea?

"

And what I'm telling you is that it's here and we should actually try encouraging government officials to do something instead of performing pageantry about how they feel about it. It's ultimately their lives on the line, everyone else has been living with these risks and concerns for 2 decades of increasing mass shootings and general gun violence that they've done nothing about. Now that the issue is rapidly approaching their necks, maybe they start to actually address it? But with this Administration and his sycophantic party for whom threats of violence have been their MO for a decade? I doubt it. Hope I'm wrong though. 

[BorisTomashevsky]

Posted: 9/12/25 at 1:03pm

“Did you show that same kindness to those non-conservatives when tragedy happened? Somehow I believe you were silent during those times. Your ilk usually are.”

I showed kindness to Robbie Parker during Sandy Hook and was very touched by his forgiveness, until I saw that he was laughing ahead of a press conference and then putting on the emotion. That’s when I realized Shakespeare was right about the world being a stage. 

Don’t believe me? Don’t take my word for it. Go ahead - try Helga!

https://youtu.be/CsnZx4Cxkuw?si=dalUNhwOBn2mD2U8

[TotallyEffed]

Posted: 9/12/25 at 1:06pm

The world is so dark right now and so many are struggling with mental health issues, finances, and unemployment. With all the pain, murder, genocide, shootings, chaos, and violence, one starts to run out of mental and emotional space for all of it. So forgive me if I'm indifferent about the public death of someone who can say this:

 

“Death penalties should be public, should be quick, it should be televised. I think at a certain age, its an initiation...What age should you start to see public executions?”

― Charlie Kirk

 

I never condone violence, but we are surrounded by it every single day now. I don't even shed tears anymore for the children who are regularly killed in schools. There are no tears left, especially not for someone like Charlie Kirk.

[Highland Guy]

Posted: 9/12/25 at 1:11pm

For many years, I have known that Kristin Chenoweth is an advocate for our Queer communities.  For MY Queer community.  That matters to me.  She has always supported me, and I will support her now.

[KarenValentine'sheadband]

Posted: 9/12/25 at 1:17pm

BorisTomashevsky said: "“Did you show that same kindness to those non-conservatives when tragedy happened? Somehow I believe you were silent during those times. Your ilk usually are.”

I showed kindness to Robbie Parker during Sandy Hook and was very touched by his forgiveness, until I saw that he was laughing ahead of a press conference and then putting on the emotion. That’s when I realized Shakespeare was right about the world being a stage.

Don’t believe me? Don’t take my word for it. Go ahead - try Helga!

https://youtu.be/CsnZx4Cxkuw?si=dalUNhwOBn2mD2U8"

 

Wow, how generous of you. A nervous smile before a nation wide news conferance sets you into the stratosphere. Such proof, gurl. Again, you and your ilk never surprise. You're a stereotype now. 

 

[Bwaygurl2]

Posted: 9/12/25 at 1:18pm

I think Cheno is a good hearted middle aged lady who was trying to be nice, but I totally get why some folks are upset, because it ain't exactly a stretch to interpret her post in a bad light. I'm willing to give her benefit of the doubt for now and not parse her every word in the worst way possible. I understand why some of you feel differently. 

[BorisTomashevsky]

Posted: 9/12/25 at 1:24pm

KarenValentine'sheadband said: "BorisTomashevsky said: "“Did you show that same kindness to those non-conservatives when tragedy happened? Somehow I believe you were silent during those times. Your ilk usually are.”

I showed kindness to Robbie Parker during Sandy Hook and was very touched by his forgiveness, until I saw that he was laughing ahead of a press conference and then putting on the emotion. That’s when I realized Shakespeare was right about the world being a stage.

Don’t believe me? Don’t take my word for it. Go ahead - try Helga!

https://youtu.be/CsnZx4Cxkuw?si=dalUNhwOBn2mD2U8"



Wow, how generousof you. A nervoussmile before a nation wide news conferance sets you into the stratosphere. Such proof, gurl. Again, you and your ilk never surprise. You're a stereotype now.

"

Someone who has lost a child wouldn’t laugh or smile for the rest of their life. Not only that but he had to get into the tears. Have some respect for yourself and ask what is really going on and how long you’ve been tricked for. 

[SteveSanders]

Posted: 9/12/25 at 1:24pm

Bwaygurl2 said: "I think Cheno is a good hearted middle aged lady who was trying to be nice, but I totally get why some folks are upset, because it ain't exactly a stretch to interpret her post in a bad light. I'm willing to give her benefit of the doubt for now and not parse her every word in the worst way possible. I understand why some of you feel differently."

Agree.  I find it helpful to consider the preponderance of evidence related to a person's beliefs and behaviors on what matters most to me as opposed to any individual moments.

[TheatreFan4]

Posted: 9/12/25 at 1:34pm

BorisTomashevsky said: Someone who has lost a child wouldn’tlaughor smile for the rest of their life. Not only that but he had to get into the tears. Have some respect for yourself and ask what is really going on and how long you’ve been tricked for."

Really? Never? You're legitimately insane...

[KarenValentine'sheadband]

Posted: 9/12/25 at 1:35pm

BorisTomashevsky said: "KarenValentine'sheadband said: "BorisTomashevsky said: "“Did you show that same kindness to those non-conservatives when tragedy happened? Somehow I believe you were silent during those times. Your ilk usually are.”

I showed kindness to Robbie Parker during Sandy Hook and was very touched by his forgiveness, until I saw that he was laughing ahead of a press conference and then putting on the emotion. That’s when I realized Shakespeare was right about the world being a stage.

Don’t believe me? Don’t take my word for it. Go ahead - try Helga!

https://youtu.be/CsnZx4Cxkuw?si=dalUNhwOBn2mD2U8"



Wow, how generousof you. A nervoussmile before a nation wide news conferance sets you into the stratosphere. Such proof, gurl. Again, you and your ilk never surprise. You're a stereotype now.

"

Someone who has lost a child wouldn’tlaughor smile for the rest of their life. Not only that but he had to get into the tears. Have some respect for yourself and ask what is really going on and how long you’ve been tricked for."

 

Are you kidding me with this? Tricked into what? Tell what you think was going on there? I'm curious now.