NY Times Tony Voter Poll- Page 2

[cam5y]

Posted: 6/9/17 at 3:17am

icecreambenjamin said: "No it's fine that other people don't like DEH, but I happen to find CFA to be an appallingly terrible show and it would be absolutely hilarious if it won Best Musical."

And I (and others) feel that, but about DEH.

Updated On: 6/9/17 at 03:17 AM

[icecreambenjamin]

Posted: 6/9/17 at 3:19am

^Ok then.

[GavestonPS]

Posted: 6/9/17 at 5:17am

dianamorales said: "This article gave me so much unnecessary anxiety. It polls less than 10% of the voters. i wouldn't bother listening to it.

 

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That's actually a pretty high percentage for a poll. What matters most is how the 10% were chosen: are they representative of the whole?

[rjm516]

Posted: 6/9/17 at 6:22am

I really can't believe CFA is the frontrunner with DEH and not Comet. I'm a die-hard DEH supporter all the way in almost every category, but if it's going to lose to something it should be Comet. And especially in direction - how Chavkin had a grasp on just where everyone was is the theatre is remarkable!! 

[djoko84]

Posted: 6/9/17 at 6:53am

The NY Times poll is the best fore-teller of the winners every year. I would go with it more than any of the pre-Tony awards. However, they didn't help us this year with the top two races. Still going with DEH and Oslo.

[Lot666]

Posted: 6/9/17 at 8:25am

icecreambenjamin said: "froote said: "How have I put anyone down?

It's just something about your tone."

That's subjective, and personally, I feel the same way about your tone. When someone counters one of your posts, you predictably come back with one of your signature, flippant "girl" retorts. You don't see it, but you have a habit of going after others for simply expressing opinions that are contrary to yours.

For what it's worth, my intent is not to yank your chain; I'm just trying to help you see something that might improve the quality of your interactions around here.

Updated On: 6/9/17 at 08:25 AM

[Zamedy154]

Posted: 6/9/17 at 8:26am

As a point of comparison, Nielsen uses a few hundred or a few thousand meter boxes (depending on the market size) per market to tabulate the overnight ratings for any particular show. In those cases, it's well under 10 percent representing the ratings outcome. So yes.. I would agree that this unofficial poll is not completely off-base or representative of reality.

[GreasedLightning]

Posted: 6/9/17 at 9:05am

icecreambenjamin said: "No it's fine that other people don't like DEH, but I happen to find CFA to be an appallingly terrible show and it would be absolutely hilarious if it won Best Musical.

 

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You're a real hypocrite, benjamin. You finding CFA to be an "appallingly terrible show" and it being "absolutely hilarious if it won Best Musical" is not only having a d*ck tone, but you yourself are putting down not only people who enjoy the show but everyone involved in the production. What about CFA winning is "absolutely hilarious?" Because it's so appallingly bad that if it won, those who voted for it are... stupid? Dumb? You need to watch your words, my friend. 

Froote, alone with many others on here, has provided nothing but his own personal creative criticism about his opinion on DEH, never putting anyone down for enjoying the show and especially not putting the creatives of the show down. If you can't sit here like an adult and accept that criticism and (very valid) points that he provides on the material that you love but you can say it's an "absolutely hilarious" thought that CFA could indeed win, maybe you should sit this one out. 

[BroadwayConcierge]

Posted: 6/9/17 at 9:07am

icecreambenjamin, I often love reading your commentary on here, but I find you've been picking a lot of unnecessary fights with other posters lately.

[Gensho]

Posted: 6/9/17 at 9:23am

Us Hansen supporters are the silent majority. We will be vindicated on Sunday night. 

Updated On: 6/9/17 at 09:23 AM

[Dave13]

Posted: 6/9/17 at 9:47am

If I was a voter, DEH, Comet and CFA in that order.  CFA is a fine production but giving it the Tony over DEH is just wrong. DEH is a much more complete production on every level.  CFA is only competing based upon emotion.  While CFA was enjoyable to watch, I didn't find it well written.  None of the music is memorable.  The staging is something to be desired.  

[theater_tech]

Posted: 6/9/17 at 9:51am

Another supporter of the DEH v. Comet theory here. I'm a Comet fan all the way, but I think DEH will win the big prize. They are shows of equal standing; CFA is not. Kudos for them having excellent timing in this particular political climate. 

[MyLife]

Posted: 6/9/17 at 10:00am

I am constantly confused by the DEH cheerleaders who use the argument that the show deserves to win because its flaws are discussed heavily. How does that make sense? Where's the love for In Transit, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, and the other flawed shows of the season? 

[froote]

Posted: 6/9/17 at 10:02am

Gensho said: "Us Hansen supporters are the silent majority. We will be vindicated on Sunday night."

Hansen has a similar amount of supporters and non-supporters as the other two frontrunners. There is nothing silent about its fans. Sunday will vindicate you no more than the success of the show already has. Please stop acting like a victim because the show isn't universally adored.

I appreciate those who have backed me in this thread. I enjoy the passion people have for certain shows but not how that passion can lead to such over defensiveness and in some cases personal insults. It's really not that serious.

[RaisedOnMusicals]

Posted: 6/9/17 at 10:07am

I too, while strongly believing that DEH is deserving of the Tony, can see a compelling argument for Comet. (Not a winning argument, but one that in my view is very legitimate.). Not so for CFA. Look, I saw it and I enjoyed it, and I posted favorably about it. But when I woke up the next morning, thoughts regarding CFA were essentially gone. There is nothing memorable about the show, and especially about the music with the possible exception of the finale which was tons of fun.  It was fluff. Like the old saying about Chinese food, it tastes great while you're eating it but two hours later you're hungry again .

I also agree that icecreambenjamin gets a bit carried away at times in his advocacy for DEH. Even though we're on the same page regarding the merits of DEH, sometime his posts make me cringe a bit.

 

[dramamama611]

Posted: 6/9/17 at 10:12am

I've enjoyed many shows this season, but none without flaws (Have't seen Dolly  yet.)

 

MY personal order is:

Comet

DEH

CFA

 

In all aspects, I find Comet to be the most complex, and completely realized show. I'm not even saying I LIKE it more then the others because I liked them all quite a bit.  I see more flaws with DEH and CFA.

[Lot666]

Posted: 6/9/17 at 10:23am

RaisedOnMusicals said: "...when I woke up the next morning, thoughts regarding CFA were essentially gone. There is nothing memorable about the show, and especially about the music with the possible exception of the finale which was tons of fun.  It was fluff. Like the old saying about Chinese food, it tastes great while you're eating it but two hours later you're hungry again."

Ironically, you perfectly described my reaction to The Great Comet. Today, I have the entire cast recording of Come From Away in my music library, but I have only one song (Charming) from Comet. Different strokes.

[ScottyDoesn'tKnow2]

Posted: 6/9/17 at 10:27am

There are some years where a production of a revival has simply hit a chord that season with the audiences, critics, mood, etc. that I would wonder if it would have won Best Musical if it wasn't a revival. Of course, this would be more interesting in a year like 2004 where a revival that had not previously been produced on Broadway, like Assassins, won major awards rather than a big former Best Musical winner whose score and show has reached legendary status. In 2004, I thought that had Assassins been eligible as a new musical, it probably would have won Best Score, Best Book, and Best Musical over Avenue Q and unfortunately may have taken the Best Musical nomination away from Caroline, or Change (I'd like to think it would take Boy From Oz's nomination but Hugh Jackman and the show seemed to be popular at the time in a way Caroline was not). This year, with all the CFA and DEH talk, I bet if there was a way Hello Dolly! could have also been nominated for Best Musical, it would win even with all the Rudin v. Tony producers controversy. 

Updated On: 6/9/17 at 10:27 AM

[Oak2]

Posted: 6/9/17 at 10:39am

Agreed on the matter re: icecreambenjamin - after seeing most of his posts through the past few months, I find it hilarious that he would call out froote as someone who "sticks his relentless hatred of DEH" into everything when his tone was reasonable, while benjamin is the one who spouts relentless hatred of CFA everywhere. And tone-wise icecreambenjamin is certainly the one who always has that aggressive, pretentious "my tastes are inherently superior to yours and make me smarter than you" tone (especially as seen in another thread where he responded to a call for show equality with "Fine, enjoy your crappy show". People who take that stance that their own tastes are inherently superior or that it makes them superior are just plain evil in my mind. It's why I've now come to decision to just put him on block/ignore. I don't need to see evil in these threads. There are many others who have made strong arguments both Pro-DEH and anti-CFA without being assholes about it.

As for the race, I'm glad it's a close one. I personally still am rooting hardest for CFA, but I'm sad that Great Comet isn't considered a contender because I"d be equally happy with it winning. I loved every facet of CFA and Great Comet. DEH, while I appreciated some aspects of it, I ended up walking out of it with the exact opposite reaction that many others did - most of this probably comes from my own mental disorders than the show itself though, but considering it was about someone with anxiety and I have anxiety and autism itself, I don't think my negative opinion of it was entirely invalid, though of course neither are the resounding positive opinions of it - I really wish it was able to touch me in the way it touched so many others, I suppose. But in terms of the acting and all, I still liked Andy Karl a lot more, so I'm a little sad that it's apparently such a runaway for Platt (who I also thought did give a great performance - I was just much more pleasantly surprised by Karl.)

Also I disagree with those who say CFA didn't have any resounding memories. To me its music was much more memorable than DEH's, which I couldn't really remember any of the songs from the day after. But then again, I love folk music in the first place. But the next day I still remembered CFA as the best experience I had ever had in a theater. All I remembered about DEH the day after was how it made me feel like killing myself up until I saw Hello Dolly instead later that night. But again, that doesn't take away from the major positive impact it had on most, which it does deserve recognition for. I guess I'm just bitter that I didn't get that same reaction out of it.

[Kad]

Posted: 6/9/17 at 10:42am

Comet is my favorite musical of the season (and, in fact, possibly my favorite new show of the decade) and I have certainly accepted that a Best Musical or even Best Score victory for it is extremely unlikely. Because it has literally no bearing on my affection for the show. I do not think my choice not winning an award is a farce and, conversely, I do not personally share in the victory if it were to win and I lose nothing if it were to lose. There's nothing to be vindicated if it were to win but there's no personal slight if it were to lose.

 

 

[Gensho]

Posted: 6/9/17 at 11:00am

I'm going to go to my grave wondering why Great Comet has such a following. The score was nails on a chalkboard *for me*. The story was indecipherable. I absolutely wanted to love it and walked out perplexed. I think Dave Malloy needs to find a collaborater to help him hone in his talents. You can be edgy and accessible. The two are not mutually exclusive. 

[dianamorales]

Posted: 6/9/17 at 11:03am

I'm also a DEH vs. Comet supporter. I don't like the music in either, but I can at least recognize that Comet is groundbreaking and deserving of recognition. CFA is just a fun, erring on the side of cheesy, musical.

[Gensho]

Posted: 6/9/17 at 11:05am

Why is Great Comet groundbreaking? 

[Jeffrey Karasarides]

Posted: 6/9/17 at 11:05am

MayAudraBlessYou2 said: "Except they are often reliable. They've interviewed less than that before to accurate results. The Fun Home/Curious Incident year, the Times polled 44 tony voters and everything they predicted came true. It is a much better barometer than any pre-Tony awards show like the Outer Critics or Drama Desk. They admit a few categories are too close to call, but this poll has a great track record."

Though there have been times when their projected frontrunners (like Tom Hanks and Laura Osnes in 2013) ended up losing on Tony night.

[froote]

Posted: 6/9/17 at 11:11am

Gensho said: "Why is Great Comet groundbreaking? "

Because it's unlike any other musical to ever make it to Broadway?