NYT: New York City Predicted Record Tourism. Then Came Trump.- Page 3

[Matt Rogers]

Posted: 8/28/25 at 8:33pm

Birdie Boy said: "Exactly. The uk is the problem, not USA. Paris and France is a million times better than anything the uk has. Including those wonderful French cabarets. I hope they can revive their vaudeville tradition, they invented it and still have it a little bit. New York and London is all plays and musicals no diversity whatsoever."

“No diversity whatsoever”??? Please elaborate. 

[Birdie Boy]

Posted: 8/28/25 at 8:35pm

I know your brain always goes to race, but that’s not what I’m talking about. 

[Matt Rogers]

Posted: 8/28/25 at 8:42pm

Birdie Boy said: "I know your brain always goes to race, but that’s not what I’m talking about."

Well then maybe you should be clearer in your postings. And I don’t know what the f*ck you think you know about my brain because I’ve never even noticed you before. Unless you are another alias. 

[Birdie Boy]

Posted: 8/28/25 at 8:59pm

Jordan Catalano said: "My flights to the UK continue to be sold out and my flights back home continue to be virtually empty."

The next time you go, you ask those flight attendants about the failed policies of Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves.  They’ve jacked up the taxes on everything, that could be one of the reasons people aren’t flying out of the uk.  Blaming Donald Trump for everything is just low hanging fruit.  There is a new government in the UK as well, maybe look there too

[Matt Rogers]

Posted: 8/28/25 at 9:04pm

Birdie Boy said: "Jordan Catalano said: "My flights to the UK continue to be sold out and my flights back home continue to be virtually empty."

The next time you go, you ask those flight attendants about the failed policies of Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves. They’ve jacked up the taxes on everything, that could be one of the reasons people aren’t flying out of the uk. Blaming Donald Trump for everything is just low hanging fruit. There is a new government in the UK as well, maybe look there too"

Oh good. Another low life Trumper has materialized. 

[spicemonkey]

Posted: 8/28/25 at 10:07pm

Considering how New Yorkers with some out-of-the-world entitlements often look down upon THE tOuRiStS, maybe this is not a bad thing for NYC 

 

(sarcasm intended) 

Updated On: 8/28/25 at 10:07 PM

[uncageg]

Posted: 8/29/25 at 12:06am

Birdie Boy said: "Exactly. The uk is the problem, not USA. Paris and France is a million times better than anything the uk has. Including those wonderful French cabarets. I hope they can revive their vaudeville tradition, they invented it and still have it a little bit. New York and London is all plays and musicals no diversity whatsoever."

 

Well, that's not true. London has the Proms and, Scotland has the Edinburgh Fringe festival (Along with smaller festivals in London). They also have some killer music festivals. There is diversity in these events.

 

Updated On: 8/29/25 at 12:06 AM

[Birdie Boy]

Posted: 8/29/25 at 12:09am

London does not have the Edinburgh Fringe Festival

[veronicamae]

Posted: 8/29/25 at 12:22am

Birdie Boy said: "Exactly. The uk is the problem, not USA. Paris and France is a million times better than anything the uk has. Including those wonderful French cabarets. I hope they can revive their vaudeville tradition, they invented it and still have it a little bit. New York and London is all plays and musicals no diversity whatsoever."

"New York..is all plays and musicals no diversity whatsoever."

Other than that being diverse in itself (one-act plays, one-act musicals, jukebox musicals, original musicals, revivals), NYC is arguably the theatre capital of the world. I won't declare it is, because I'm sure you will tell me it isn't. If you think all we have to offer is what's playing in the 41 theatres on Broadway, you're willfully ignorant. There is incredible theatre happening downtown, uptown, and in Brooklyn and elsewhere - immersive, avant-garde, solo cabaret acts, the list goes on and on.

What an asinine statement.

[uncageg]

Posted: 8/29/25 at 12:25am

Birdie Boy said: "London does not have the Edinburgh Fringe Festival"

 

Edited my comment. But there is still diversity in London.

 

[Birdie Boy]

Posted: 8/29/25 at 12:30am

Why aren’t there any revues on broadway??  I want Florenz Ziegfeld, I want vaudeville, I want jubilee

[veronicamae]

Posted: 8/29/25 at 12:56am

Birdie Boy said: "Why aren’t there any revues on broadway?? I want Florenz Ziegfeld, I want vaudeville, I want jubilee"

Because no one - at least not enough people to keep it going on Broadway - wants those things. Vaudeville died for a reason.

That said, we literally just had Old Friends, a Sondheim revue, on Broadway this past season. Though I'm guessing it doesn't meet your definition, as you're wanting live entertainment from the 1920s.

 

[Theatrefan2]

Posted: 8/29/25 at 1:16am

I know people like to blame Trump for it all, and im not saying it isnt an issue. But there are other factors. The US has got so expensive to visit now, and that was happening during Bidens time too. 

Also interestingly I was speaking to a friend of mine in his late 20s and he and his friends have no real interest in the US travel in general. They look much more towards Asia, Australia and South America. When I was growing up in the 80s and 90s American culture was everywhere in the UK and we were sold how exciting and modern it was, and the place to be. That isn't the case anymore, and other places are now seen as the exciting  go-to for younger generations. 

Updated On: 8/29/25 at 01:16 AM

[Birdie Boy]

Posted: 8/29/25 at 1:41am

Vaudeville didn’t die, it’s still in Paris and Vegas and Atlantic City.  I’d be curious to see how a modern showgirls revue could do on Broadway these days. A Carolyn Churchill play directed by James Macdonald was at the Public a few months ago, the only good part were these amazing jugglers that came out in between the scenes. 

[UncleCharlie]

Posted: 8/29/25 at 4:16am

Birdie Boy said: "Why aren’t there any revues on broadway?? I want Florenz Ziegfeld, I want vaudeville, I want jubilee"

This is gonna be a shock but the sophistication of 2025 audiences has grown far beyond what it was 75, 50 or even 30 years ago. If Broadway producers thought they could make a buck putting on those types of shows, I'm pretty sure we'd be seeing them. That we're not should tell you something. You can want all you want but it's not gonna happen for you.

"Paris and France is a million times better than anything the uk has." That you could look at London's West End, a theater district that rivals Broadway and that is virtually non-existent in Paris and still make that statement is, well, "interesting". And FYI, Paris is actually IN France unless they moved it.

"New York and London is all plays and musicals no diversity whatsoever." So true. Other than 41 Broadway theaters, hundreds of Off and off off Broadway theaters, The Metropolitan Opera, The NYC Ballet, Classical Music venues, Comedy Clubs, NINE Major League Sports teams just among the 4 major sports, a thriving indie movie scene, some of the nation's top jazz clubs,3 major indoor arenas (4 if you count Newark, a 20 minute train ride away) that host the top concert acts touring today, a collection of museums that rivals anything else in the world, yeah other than that, New York has no diversity at all. And I didn't even have to mention the speaker program at the 92nd street Y.

I don't post here very much anymore but the places I do, refer to people posting strong opinions like yours that are so easily disproven as "rage bait". I grade your attempt at 2/10. But look on the bright side. You can get back in your time machine, go back to 1928 and spend the next year warning everyone about the stock market crash. When it happens, they'll think you're a genius.

[Birdie Boy]

Posted: 8/29/25 at 4:56am

I wasn’t talking about museums or sports or stadium concerts, I was talking about theater.  And Broadway is very drama based, which is great, but  not every show needs to have characters, a plot, a conflict.  Even a show like Moulin Rogue got grilled for being empty treats for the audience.  People are not capable of sitting and being quiet for 2 hours anymore, more lax entertainment like variety shows would be perfect for today.  And those didn’t just happen in the 1920s.  We got big ones that opened in the 80s and 90s (not in New York) and ran for decades.  Time for a revival. 

Updated On: 8/29/25 at 04:56 AM

[UncleCharlie]

Posted: 8/29/25 at 5:36am

Birdie Boy said: "I wasn’t talking about museums or sports or stadium concerts, I was talking about theater.And Broadway is very drama based, which is great, but notevery show needs to have characters, a plot, a conflict. Evena show like Moulin Rogue got grilled for being empty treats for the audience. People are not capable of sitting and being quiet for 2 hours anymore, more lax entertainment like variety shows would be perfect for today. And those didn’t just happen in the 1920s. We got big ones that opened in the 80s and 90s (not in New York) and ran for decades. Time for a revival."

Broadway is very drama based??? I guess that explains why 75% of the current shows on Broadway are musicals. Again, a great point. People can see the type of low brow entertainment you're referring to for free on Youtube or Tiktok. They're not going to pay $200 to see acts like "Sally and her dancing horse", "The one armed Juggler" or a guy singing Paul Anka covers on Broadway.

Remember the old adage. It's SHOW...BUSINESS. There's no show without the business and there is no business for that type of show any more on Broadway.  The world has changed, bud. And I know change can be a really scary thing. But it'll be OK, I promise. Again, look on that bright side. Gallagher may be gone but you can still catch Carrot Top doing his thing in Vegas.

[binau]

Posted: 8/29/25 at 6:11am

nvm 

Updated On: 8/29/25 at 06:11 AM

[MezzA101]

Posted: 9/1/25 at 1:11pm

Why Buffalo's summer tourism has collapsed

https://rollingout.com/2025/09/01/why-buffalos-summer-tourism-collapsed/

[SteveSanders]

Posted: 9/8/25 at 2:36am

Year-over-year data through June shows a decline of 3.0% in international visitors to the US overall or approximately one million fewer visitors.

https://www.trade.gov/i-94-arrivals-program?anchor=content-node-t14-field-lp-region-2-1

Compared to pre-COVID times, however, the decline and trend line is much more significant.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/07/where-are-travelers-going-if-they-arent-going-to-the-us.html

[WhoCouldBeBlue]

Posted: 9/8/25 at 7:01am

What do you expect? You all trashed him and his supporters for years, instead of respecting differences in opinions like your party claims to do... Now you get a well-deserved dose of Karma

[SteveSanders]

Posted: 9/8/25 at 7:22am

WhoCouldBeBlue said: "What do you expect? You all trashed him and his supporters for years, instead of respecting differences in opinions like your party claims to do... Now you get a well-deserved dose of Karma"

The data is for travelers from abroad, so it is much more likely that they do not want to subject themselves to the whims of this administration or support the US at this time ...  as many other articles have previously covered.

[inception]

Posted: 9/8/25 at 8:13am

I'm curious about the story regarding the Hyundai plant.  How could 300 South Koreans show up without proper paperwork in the middle of nowhere? 

Edited. I let myself get too worked up. But still

.   I wouldn't be surprised if instantly tourism from Korea & Japan drops to zero.

Updated On: 9/8/25 at 08:13 AM

[SteveSanders]

Posted: 9/8/25 at 9:32am

I've read a few pieces on the Hyundai plant that suggest a significant percentage of people were here on visas that did not permit work.  This is not an uncommon strategy around the world if someone is popping in and out one time for some work as the work visas are more difficult to obtain and can have tax implications.

From an article in today's Financial Times:

Korean companies admit cutting corners on US visas but say they have little choice:

"South Korean companies have routinely used unsuitable visas for workers sent to the US to build multibillion-dollar advanced manufacturing sites, according to Seoul-based executives and industry groups.

The admission comes after a dramatic raid last week by US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) at a battery plant being built by Hyundai and LG in Ellabell in Georgia, which led to the detention of 475 workers, mostly South Korean nationals.

Several people familiar with Korean conglomerates in the US said it was an “open secret” that they and their subcontractors used the B-1 visa, which allows entry to the US for business purposes but does not allow the holder to work for payment, as well as the Electronic System for Travel Authorization (ESTA) system that facilitates short-term business visits."

 

Updated On: 9/8/25 at 09:32 AM

[gibsons2]

Posted: 9/8/25 at 12:39pm

WhoCouldBeBlue said: "What do you expect? You all trashed him and his supporters for years, instead of respecting differences in opinions like your party claims to do... Now you get a well-deserved dose of Karma"

Are you stupid or something? What does international tourism have to do with offended magats?