Outer Critics Circle Awards?

[GimmeABreak2]

Posted: 4/19/09 at 10:31pm

With the nominations for these coming out tomorrow--do these awards usually have any correlation with the Tonys or other theatre awards?
Outer Critics Circle Events

[James2]

Posted: 4/19/09 at 10:42pm

Not really. They usually have a number of nominees that are do not show up on the ballots for the Tonys or for other awards.

[WiCkEDrOcKS]

Posted: 4/19/09 at 10:58pm

Not really true; they usually correlate to the Tonys but they also nominate Off-Broadway work so some shows are ineligible that have already had life Off-Broadway prior to their Broadway engagement.

But usually, the major winners line up with the Tony Award winners (Best Musical and Best Play mainly) unless something is Off-Broadway that is eligible for the OCC (or Drama Desk) that is clearly the best of all the nominees but isn't eligible for the Tony because it's, well, Off-Broadway.

[philly03]

Posted: 4/19/09 at 11:13pm

Just a random observation .. do the Outer Critics Circle Award people tend to award people whose respective shows have been out of town for a while?

Marla Schaffel back in 2001 won the Outer Critics Award (and Drama Desk) I believe over Christine Ebersole, who took the Tony for 42nd Street? (Schaffel did Jane Eyre from 96-2001!)

I know Robert Cuciolli won the OCC Award too for Jekyll & HYDE - but lost the Tony as well. (Jekyll & HYDE took 7 years / 3 with Cuciolli to Broadway)

edit - put in the shows! Updated On: 4/19/09 at 11:13 PM

[WiCkEDrOcKS]

Posted: 4/19/09 at 11:17pm

Not sure about that, but in terms of the winners for their performance categories, they seem to be off the mark from the Tonys (at least in the recent past) such as Kevin Kline, James Earl Jones, Laurie Metcalf who all won last year and the first two weren't even nominated for Tonys.


So I kinda just contradicted myself but my point is that the major PRODUCTION categories (Play, Revivals, Musical) tend to fall in line with the Tonys. Updated On: 4/19/09 at 11:17 PM

[bjh2114]

Posted: 4/19/09 at 11:33pm

Ugh, I forgot Kevin Kline wasn't nominated for a Tony. TRAVESTY! He would have beaten out Rylance.
Updated On: 4/19/09 at 11:33 PM

[BenKaye]

Posted: 4/19/09 at 11:34pm

Didn't Young Frakenstein and Xanadu tie for Best Musical last year at the Outer Critics Circle Awards? That doesn't seem to correlate...

[WiCkEDrOcKS]

Posted: 4/19/09 at 11:35pm

EDITED: IN THE HEIGHTS was ineligible as it nominated in the previous year for its Off-Broadway production.
Updated On: 4/19/09 at 11:35 PM

[BenKaye]

Posted: 4/19/09 at 11:37pm

No, Passing Strange was Off-Broadway the same season as it was on Broadway.

It was nominated for Best Score last year.

[WiCkEDrOcKS]

Posted: 4/19/09 at 11:38pm

Yeah, I just realized that and edited it. But still, the winner of the Tony for Best Musical was ineligible for the OCC so the winners couldn't possibly correlate.

[BenKaye]

Posted: 4/19/09 at 11:41pm

You've got a point there.

[jbdc]

Posted: 4/20/09 at 10:19am

The same thing happened with Christine Ebersole in Grey Gardens the year before. did Outer Critics give it to Audra for 110?

[Wanna Be A Foster]

Posted: 4/20/09 at 10:24am

But usually, the major winners line up with the Tony Award winners (Best Musical and Best Play mainly) unless something is Off-Broadway that is eligible for the OCC (or Drama Desk) that is clearly the best of all the nominees but isn't eligible for the Tony because it's, well, Off-Broadway.

The Outer Critics Circle actually has a separate award for Best Off-Broadway Musical and Best Off-Broadway Play.

Updated On: 4/20/09 at 10:24 AM

[Wanna Be A Foster]

Posted: 4/20/09 at 10:25am

jbdc, Donna Murphy won the Outer Critics award that year.

[jbdc]

Posted: 4/20/09 at 10:28am

I totally forgot about Love/Musik. And I liked it when I saw it. Hmmm.

[musicalsaregreat]

Posted: 4/20/09 at 10:44am

Edit: I confused Drama Desks with Outer Critics.

Updated On: 4/20/09 at 10:44 AM

[Wanna Be A Foster]

Posted: 4/20/09 at 10:45am

No. Donna and Audra tied at the Drama Desks. Debra Monk won Featured at the Drama Desks.

Only Donna was the Outer Critics for Leading. Karen Ziemba won Featured at the Outer Critics.

[Wanna Be A Foster]

Posted: 4/20/09 at 10:51am

http://www.playbill.com/news/article/108041.html

[jbdc]

Posted: 4/20/09 at 11:23am

So where are the nominations? 11:00 was 30 minutes ago, and in 2009 that's a long time.

[ljay889]

Posted: 4/20/09 at 11:30am

LMAO

they are funny

http://www.playbill.com/news/article/128433.html

[jbdc]

Posted: 4/20/09 at 11:33am

Seriously... A Tale of Two Cities.

was 9 to 5 ineligible?

[Sauja]

Posted: 4/20/09 at 11:34am

What the what?? Hold on...Happiness was nominated for Best Score over...ANYTHING? A Tale of Two Cities over 9 to 5?

Were all the shows worth watching ineligible?

[wonkit]

Posted: 4/20/09 at 11:36am

*head desk* I always expect a few surprises but wow -

[jbdc]

Posted: 4/20/09 at 11:37am

And no Our Town for revival of a play, but Blithe Spirit? And Moises Kaufman for director over David Cromer?

[bjh2114]

Posted: 4/20/09 at 11:41am

Sauja, I'm surprised.

jbdc, not so much.