Phylicia Rashad on Cosby's Release- Page 5

[PipingHotPiccolo]

Posted: 7/6/21 at 1:54am

HogansHero said: "
I think both of you are missing the forest for the trees. It's not about our feelings. It is about the fact that she is the dean of the school and as such the would be arbiter of any complaint that, as an example, a professor sexually assaulted a student. If you were a woman who had been raped by your professor, would you want the person who wrote what Rashad wrote on twitter to be the person responsible for protecting you? I am not a student or a woman but I sure as hell wouldn't."

Bingo. And this is hardly a typical "cancellation" where someone says something that is perceived to be offensive/not PC. She lauded someone who has admitted to raping many, many women. What is the other side of that argument? Being agnostic on rape is not something you get "cancelled" for when you are involved in a position of authority on a college campus. 

the whole thing is a mess. 

[joevitus]

Posted: 7/6/21 at 11:31am

JDonaghy4 said: "HogansHero said: "
I think both of you are missing the forest for the trees. It's not about our feelings. It is about the fact that she is the dean of the school and as such the would be arbiter of any complaint that, as an example, a professor sexually assaulted a student. If you were a woman who had been raped by your professor, would you want the person who wrote what Rashad wrote on twitter to be the person responsible for protecting you? I am not a student or a woman but I sure as hell wouldn't."

Bingo. And this is hardly a typical "cancellation" where someone says something that is perceived to be offensive/not PC. She lauded someone who has admitted to raping many, many women. What is the other side of that argument? Being agnostic on rape is not something you get "cancelled" for when you are involved in a position of authority on a college campus.

the whole thing is a mess."

Well, first of all, of course there is another side to the argument because you can't have an argument without their being two sides (doesn't mean both sides are equally right, or even close to that).

And, again, this is a personal Twitter account, not a school Twitter account. Also, again, this brings up the very problem of the blurring public and private roles I complained about in my initial response: we want an unfiltered look into people's thoughts, but we get upset/defensive when those unfiltered thoughts don't mirror our own. And in this case apparently are now holding someone professionally responsible for expressing a personal thought. The dangers inherent in this worth considering.

For the record, as someone who has worked in academia for twenty plus years: you don't go to your dean with a complaint of sexual assault. You go to the office in charge of the Title IX on your campus (you may even be reporting your dean). Technically, anyone who works for the campus should report to the Title IX office any such an incident a student confides to them, which would definitely include Rashad, should she be told something by a student, but that also means far more people than just Rashad are supposed to do/are capable of doing this. So she's not a barrier to assault victims at her college attempting to report a criminal action.

As for the idea that she may stop someone from having the confidence to report their abuse to anyone on campus because of her position, that argument is fraught with so many issues that's it's really a separate topic. It's a complex issue of what we expect college campuses to be, to what extent we expect college campuses to be law enforcement agencies, and to what extent we think colleges are responsible for insuring the emotional confidence of legal adults to report crimes to proper authorities. It's way too big an issue to unpack in this comments section.

I still think it's irrelevant to most of us here what she thinks of Cosby or how she views his release. It may well be relevant for those who attend her college or others who work at her college--but does that include anyone here? And I am quite sure some of them have already made their voices heard. That's likely why the tweet disappeared. She may end up facing disciplinary actions. Again, not really relevant to most of us, and prior to the internet age, not something most of us would have felt the need to take a position on.

Which again circles back to my original comment: the extent to which things that do not really concern us because subjects on which we need to opine--and feel outraged at anyone who disagrees with us--because the internet continues to collapse the distinction between personal and private life. 

I always end up wishing Twitter just didn't exist, though I know that wish changes nothing. 

[PipingHotPiccolo]

Posted: 7/6/21 at 12:11pm

joevitus said: "Well, first of all, of course there is another side to the argument because you can't have an argument without their being two sides (doesn't mean both sides are equally right, or even close to that)."

ok, sure. One side says that men who drug women to the point of non-conscious and then rape them are worthy of punishment because it is wrong to do that. Whats the other side of that argument? Use as many words as you like.

 

(of course there are flip sides to the arguments against, say, enslaving or exterminating entire races of people, in that people were/are in favor of those things, but i'd hardly call those positions "arguments"

 

Posted: 7/6/21 at 12:48pm

JDonaghy4 said: "One side says that men who drug women to the point of non-conscious and then rape them are worthy of punishment because it is wrong to do that. Whats the other side of that argument? Use as many words as you like.

There isn't another side of that particular argument, but my understanding is that Cosby's argument is that the women consensually took quaaludes in the same way that someone might have a scotch and soda before becoming intimate.

[HogansHero]

Posted: 7/6/21 at 4:15pm

The consensual taking of quaaludes is not the issue. The issue (which is analytically the same as it would be with alcohol except that quaaludes are a faster, cleaner, and more efficient path to sedation) is using any agent to get a victim sedated and passed out so you can rape them. There is indeed no "argument." 

[joevitus]

Posted: 7/6/21 at 4:31pm

JDonaghy4 said: "joevitus said: "Well, first of all, of course there is another side to the argument because you can't have an argument without their being two sides (doesn't mean both sides are equally right, or even close to that)."

ok, sure. One side says that men who drug women to the point of non-conscious and then rape them are worthy of punishment because it is wrong to do that. Whats the other side of that argument? Use as many words as you like.



(of course there are flip sides to the arguments against, say, enslaving or exterminating entire races of people, in that people were/are in favor of those things, but i'd hardly call those positions "arguments"

"

The other side is obvious. I guess you're asking me to SUPPORT the other side, but I have no interest in doing that. The point is, all arguments have other sides, and to ask "what's the other side to the argument?" is ask a question to which you already know the answer.

[PipingHotPiccolo]

Posted: 7/7/21 at 2:39am

joevitus said: "
The other side is obvious. I guess you're asking me to SUPPORT the other side, but I have no interest in doing that. The point is, all arguments have other sides, and to ask "what's the other side to the argument?" is ask a question to which you already know the answer."

No, im not asking you to support the other side of this "argument." Im asking you to articulate it. 

Ctorres at least attempted to make one, which is "Yes they were barely conscious when I had sex with them but they took the drugs rendering them unconscious willingly." But to make that argument is to say "i dont beleive the 60+ women who insist they did no such thing willingly"- so is that the argument Rashad is making? At a certain point there *arent* two sides to every argument- one side is just plain false/wrong. 

[Tag]

Posted: 7/13/21 at 6:01pm

Well, she was rewarded with an Emmy nomination today for This Is Us...

[morosco]

Posted: 7/13/21 at 6:18pm

Is having sex with one who is rendered unconscious some type of fetish? Perhaps a gateway to necrophilia?

[HogansHero]

Posted: 7/13/21 at 7:31pm

Tag said: "Well, she was rewarded with an Emmy nomination today for This Is Us..."

Recognized not rewarded. There is nothing gained by overstating. She was not being rewarded for being an apologist for a rapist. What she did was independently wrong; that does not mean she did not earn the nomination on the merits.  

[Larry6417]

Posted: 7/13/21 at 11:48pm

STUPID PERSON.