RENT is confirmed to be selectively homophobic- Page 2

[art2]

Posted: 11/19/05 at 3:29am

Say what you like, my viewpoints have been vindicated.

My negative gut feeling re RENT the movie was based on the avoidance of the male/male affection in the trailers and poster -this avoidance is an indisputable fact, so please don't question my veracity here. Now an independent observer confirms that the makers of this movie had a hard time wrapping their minds around the fact that two men can love each other sexually and erotically. Columbus and Sony appear to have presented a minimal, camped-up version of a gay male relationship in keeping with straight male discomfort at the notion of two men loving each other.
Updated On: 11/19/05 at 03:29 AM

[meagan9848]

Posted: 11/19/05 at 3:31am

Maybe you could use the word vindicated one more time.

I need to walk away from the computer, because you're a damn idiot.

[FOAnatic]

Posted: 11/19/05 at 3:34am

Wait...WAIT...Nope, still not vindicated.

[meagan9848]

Posted: 11/19/05 at 3:35am

5 points for correct use of "vindicated."

[orangeskittles]

Posted: 11/19/05 at 3:37am

Ugh, they weren't avoiding it, they just weren't promoting it to the extent you wanted.

*headdesk* Why am I even bothering?

Updated On: 11/19/05 at 03:37 AM

[meagan9848]

Posted: 11/19/05 at 3:42am

I know, his head is thick as wood.

[WickedRentLuv]

Posted: 11/19/05 at 3:43am

"Now an independent observer confirms that the makers of this movie had a hard time wrapping their minds around the fact that two men can love each other sexually and erotically."

Um, okay...NOBODY has sex in this movie. Not even the straight people.

[Marquise]

Posted: 11/19/05 at 3:44am

in his delusional world on an alternate universe in a galaxy far, far away he is vindicated by someone or something in that pea sized thing he calls a brain.

here on planet earth you are NOT, i repeat NOT VINDICATED.

again, what part of NOT VINDICATED needs to be explained to you?

[art2]

Posted: 11/19/05 at 3:44am

Orangeskittles,

LOL! Linguistic contortions won't get you far with me. Perhaps you and Bill Clinton should write a book.

It's clear as the nose on one's face that the promotion of RENT was fraught with avoidance in relation to the male-male interaction. Go back and check them out - you'll see that I am correct.

[FOAnatic]

Posted: 11/19/05 at 3:47am

It puts the lotion on its skin, or else it gets the hose again.

[art2]

Posted: 11/19/05 at 3:48am

WickedRentLuv,

Sexual passion can be conveyed in a passionate kiss, and doesn't necessarily need an all-out sex scene. I thought I'd bring you up on this.

[art2]

Posted: 11/19/05 at 3:51am

When I was criticizing the poster and trailers, I was steadfast in sticking to the facts. My assessment of the movie was fleeting based on me not having seen it, but I did state my concern that the movie would diminish the gay male relationship/affection. That now appears to be the case. In contrast, and in keeping with the straight porn ethos, Columbus and Sony have played up the female-female relationship.

[ray-andallthatjazz86]

Posted: 11/19/05 at 3:53am

OK, perhaps many people will disagree with me but Rent is not a show about being gay. I have yet to see the movie so honestly I can't provide my opinion about how "homophobic" it is. But the Broadway show, again in my opinion, it's not about the struggles of being a homosexual. Rent is about so many other things, in the show the homosexual couples are not treated as special, the Angel-Collins relationship is treated matter-of-factly and Maureen and Joanne have issues that any couple goes through, Maureen is a slut regardless of whether she's with a woman or a man. I think that the advertisement of Rent goes with this same idea, they show Angels and Collins, and they show Angel in drag, and they show Maureen and Joanne, and Mimi and Roger, there's no "homophobic" innuendo in my opinion because Rent is not about a group of gay couples.

[FOAnatic]

Posted: 11/19/05 at 3:56am

I did state my concern that the movie would diminish the gay male relationship/affection. That now appears to be the case.

Well I've seen the stage version and I've seen the movie. And it is NOT the case. NOT the case. I'll say it once more...it's NOT the case. At all.

Put your worries to rest. Learn a new word. It's not the case.

And, next time...wait until you've seen the movie to go around preaching your "infallible" opinions. Then maybe, just maybe, people will take you seriously.

Updated On: 11/19/05 at 03:56 AM

[WickedRentLuv]

Posted: 11/19/05 at 3:58am

Art, they _do_ kiss in the movie...as for whether it's "passionate" or not, I don't know because I haven't seen it (and neither have you). Judging by what many people have said in their reviews, the chemistry between the two is pretty much the most believable.

[art2]

Posted: 11/19/05 at 4:00am

FOAnatic,

The simple fact is that the movie is NOT a replica of the stage production. You can't deny that Columbus has selectively played up the female-female relationship by including a marriage theme in relation to them. Columbus probably wanted to sex it up while keeping the male-male as un-erotic as possible.

[FOAnatic]

Posted: 11/19/05 at 4:00am

Judging by what many people have said in their reviews, the chemistry between the two is pretty much the most believable.

Yes, it is. Exactly.

[WickedRentLuv]

Posted: 11/19/05 at 4:01am

THANK YOU, FOAnatic :)

[FOAnatic]

Posted: 11/19/05 at 4:04am

The simple fact is that the movie is NOT a replica of the stage production.

Overall, it's not. But, when it comes to the Angel/Collins relationship...it's the one element of the movie that is the most true to the stage version, in my opinion.

Columbus probably wanted to sex it up while keeping the male-male as un-erotic as possible.

The male-male relationship in the stage version isn't erotic either. It is raw, it is powerful, it is emotional...and the movie remains very true to it. And I would know more than you, in this case.

[art2]

Posted: 11/19/05 at 4:07am

FOAnatic,

You are indirectly condoning altering the stage production to sex up the female-female relationship but not the male-male relationship. There's a double standard there. If you had consistency, I might take you seriously.

[FOAnatic]

Posted: 11/19/05 at 4:11am

You are indirectly condoning altering the stage production to sex up the female-female relationship but not the male-male relationship.

Oh my God, no there isn't. There is no "sexing" up of the female-female relationship in the movie. The movie stays true to how the female-female relationship is performed in the stage show. There is nothing different about it...whatsoever. The commitment ceremony scene was added not to "sex it up" but because Joanne is so insecure about the relationship that she wants a sign that Maureen commits to her and only her...so they added the scene. That's it...there's nothing sexy about it.

Angel and Collins don't need a scene like that because their true love for each other is so evident in the way they hold each other...and look at each other...and kiss each other...adding a scene like that would only be beating a dead horse. We know they love each other, it's blatantly obvious. They have somethine Joanne and Maureen just don't have.

[WhatDoINeedWithLove?]

Posted: 11/19/05 at 4:14am

He played it up with Maureen and Joanne because he needed to flesh their parts out. What was he going to do with Collins and Angel to please you? A sex scene? The way Collins looks at Angel in the movie has nothing to do with "straight mens" discomfort with it. Collins wants to bone Angel and its pretty clear, its genuine. You're a moron art2!

[WickedRentLuv]

Posted: 11/19/05 at 4:16am

I can only repeat: wait till you see the movie for yourself :)

It's hard to take you seriously as well, Art, simply because you are basing everything you are saying on ONE review. That is ONE person's opinion. Many OTHER people have said that the male/male relationship was portrayed beautifully. This is why I say, wait to form your own opinion after you see the movie. Chances are we will have our opinions by then too.

...I can't believe I am arguing over this at 4 o' clock in the morning.

Updated On: 11/19/05 at 04:16 AM

[WickedRentLuv]

Posted: 11/19/05 at 4:19am

"Collins wants to bone Angel and its pretty clear, its genuine."

LOL! I like the way you put that, WhatDoINeedWithLove.

[art2]

Posted: 11/19/05 at 4:22am

The Washington Blade review also confirmed that the male-male kiss was shown with Angel in drag. No other kisses were apparently forthcoming, and certainly not with Angel in men's attire. One could suggest that if Columbus can exercise directorial license by adding a gay female marriage theme, he could also have shown a kiss between the men where both are in men's attire, not just Collins.

There's just such a stench to the way RENT has been handled, sad to say.


Updated On: 11/19/05 at 04:22 AM