RENT is confirmed to be selectively homophobic — Page 8

This is just going around in circles. He isn't going to change his mind.

However, this certainly is creating publicity FOR the film. I imagine people will want to see the film to see what the fuss is all about. Art2---you should know you only hurt your cause by stirring up controversy.

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Okay, noted. But it IS a sweeping generalization. There's plenty of the ideas that two men having sex is extremely attractive, and that lesbians are scary to go around. (Obviously, the generalization is slightly more valid if we're only discussing straight MEN, and leaving straight women out of this). Either way, point taken.

I'd rephrase my post, but it's a lost cause either way.

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Updated On: 11/19/05 at 09:51 PM

Yep, sex. Just sex.

Yet you *admitted* that Rent was about love. Big difference, dude. And one is far, far more legitimate and meaningful than the other, in the grand scheme.

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Updated On: 11/19/05 at 09:54 PM

Sure, but they are the minority.

You haven't been in a movie theatre and heard guys cheer on hot girls kissing? But if two guys did, they get all grossed out? That is what happens all across America. That is what the majority of Americans think. That is one of the ills in society that gays and lesbians and women in general have to fight against.

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And as far as Angel and Collins are concened in that light, jrb, it goes back to the question of what's more important to portray and have it say something -- sex or love?

Rhetorical.

If you can get people to accept two men in *love* that's going to be a lot more powerful, IMO, than the physical act of sex.

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Updated On: 11/19/05 at 09:56 PM

Art. Until you see the movie - your opinions as to how the relationships in the film lack any credibility. The saddest part of your "argument" is that you're "crying" homophobia based on hearsay - not first hand experience.

It's not sterile or toned down at all. Again - I've seen the film. It's definitely obvious they are a couple by several long lingering glances - their scene playing around manhattan, the funeral scene, etc.

Putting a male-male sex scene would be completely fabricating a plot element and would be worse because it would a) undermine their relationship as it was WRITTEN b) be added simply to be gratuitous which is also worse and c) be irrelevent to the story line.

You want to discount the stage production and only talk about the film but you can't here buddy. Because the film version is a pretty darn faithful adaptation.

The only thing you might/could whine about is the cutting of "contact" - which IS a very sexual #.. But you'd have little argument because to include it would probably boost the rating to an R (which would kill a huge audience for the film) and the song isn't all that important to the plot.

Sadly - you're argument is all bark and no bite.

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"One poster said earlier that his sister thought the relationship between Angel and Collins was a "buddy" thing."

OH. MY. GOD.

That is PROOF you don't read or listen.

THAT WAS WILSON, ART. NOT A POSTER. WILSON TOOK HIS SISTER TO SEE THE MOVIE AND SHE CLAIMED THAT ANGEL AND COLLINS SEEMED LIKE FRIENDS AS WELL AS LOVERS.

WHICH, if you actually READ the quote and the interview (which your remark proves you did not), you'd see that he and his sister agreed that this was a GOOD THING. They saw that Angel and Collins' love was based on a deep friendship, life partners, friends who were lovers. And therefore, deeper and more beautiful. NOT that, "oh, they seemed like just friends."

My God. There is NO WAY someone could be this dense.

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Updated On: 11/19/05 at 10:03 PM

I hear ya--but I must say that if I see the film and they come off like platonic buddies, I'LL be on here decrying the film.

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I'm just saying lol!

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Maureen is basically a tramp. (I love her, but it's true) She leaves mark for Joanne. She cheated on Mark, she probably cheated on Joanne. The relationship they have IS very sexual. Collins and Angel meet and fall in love. They are the functional, loving couple. I have had relationships like both. BOTH are realistic.

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Unfortunately, Craig, it's probably useless. Art's liable to say they're lying to save Sony's ass for PR purposes, not to change his mind.

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I don't have any documentary evidence yet but I suspect that art was dropped on his head as a child.

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I don't have any documentary evidence yet

Case in point. Bother us after you think you have evidence.

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