Retire it, QUEEN!- Page 6

[Wanna Be A Foster]

Posted: 3/7/07 at 3:17pm

Last time I checked, THE WEDDING SINGER flopped.

[NDR]

Posted: 3/7/07 at 3:21pm

Updated On: 3/8/07 at 03:21 PM

[VIETgrlTerifa]

Posted: 3/7/07 at 3:22pm

In the end, The Pirate Queen is and will be great. In a day when people herald Cats, Phantom, The Wedding Singer, etc. despite their incredible shortcomings, there is absolutely no way that The Pirate Queen is horrible. Sail on or sail short - The Pirate Queen stands as a triumph in musical theatre.

Tell me this isn't your attempt at being objective.

[SorryGrateful]

Posted: 3/7/07 at 3:25pm

Thank you, VIETgrl. That post of yours, NDR, is HIGH-larious!

This is my favorite part:

"In the end, The Pirate Queen is and will be great."

I love that you came in trying to be the voice of reason and then typed something like that. I'm not trying to be facetious. Your post gave me an honest belly laugh.

[NDR]

Posted: 3/7/07 at 3:25pm

Updated On: 3/8/07 at 03:25 PM

[SorryGrateful]

Posted: 3/7/07 at 3:27pm

Uh-huh.

[NDR]

Posted: 3/7/07 at 3:31pm

Updated On: 3/8/07 at 03:31 PM

[SorryGrateful]

Posted: 3/7/07 at 3:34pm

Wait-- what?

[vmlinnie]

Posted: 3/7/07 at 3:35pm

Okay, let me make this clear. I haven't seen the Pirate Queen, but I'd like to comment on the posts on this thread.

1. Step dancing? Ugh...

2. No one, I mean NO ONE, in Ireland, calls my native tongue Gaelic. Unless they're trying to make themselves understood to foreigners, usually Americans.

3. I'm rather glad they don't use Irish accents, because if I saw the show I'd be absolutely sick of them. What you guys think are brilliant Irish accents, I cringe at. I HATE Oirish accents, and that's exactly what American Irish films always have. Not Irish accents, Oirish.

4. Yes, in Les Mis the characters don't seem to make an effort to speak English, because they are speaking in their natural tongue, and whatever that may be to them (French) is irrelevant. It was originally aimed at a British audience, and so it was made relative to them. The urchins and downtrodden had recognisably underclass English accents, the Bishop, Javert, etc. have upperclass accents. If they had French accents, the audience wouldn't be able to tell the difference. This tool was used in the film Alexander. The Macedonians, thought to be inferior by their English-accented Greek counterparts, had irish accents. It's all relative.


There's much more where that deluge came from. Any questions about Irish language, accents, dancing or similar, PM me. If you're looking for your Half-Irish great, great uncle, twice removed, twice returned, don't. He's dead.

[doodlenyc]

Posted: 3/7/07 at 3:44pm

I'm shilly...NDR, could you get the door?

[SorryGrateful]

Posted: 3/7/07 at 3:48pm

*pulls up chair, waiting for more of doodle's genius*

[blaxx]

Posted: 3/7/07 at 3:59pm

Sail on or sail short - The Pirate Queen stands as a triumph in musical theatre.

Ha ha ha, these posts are a blast, keep them coming, please!

[keen on kean]

Posted: 3/7/07 at 4:03pm

Small reminder - the show hasn't opened yet?! Will we have to go through this again at opening? Or can we just replay these threads?

[wonderfulwizard11]

Posted: 3/7/07 at 4:06pm

Of course not keen! It's BWW! When the show opens, we have to rehash the same topic over again.

Trying to defend this show is like me defending CATS.

[blaxx]

Posted: 3/7/07 at 4:06pm

Let them go at it again, please! Pure entertainment...

[B3TA07]

Posted: 3/7/07 at 4:09pm

I like how the same arguments come up every time a mediocre (or worse) show begins previews on Broadway. It's a horrifyingly annoying cycle. :/

[Esparzafan]

Posted: 3/7/07 at 4:20pm

How many threads can there BE on PQ at one time? Wow this is horrifying.

And Foster, I respect your opinion and appreciate your thoughts. Thanks for posting your review. Updated On: 3/7/07 at 04:20 PM

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 3/7/07 at 5:03pm

I'm just going to knock this all out at once. I'm responding to more than one person, so try to keep up, y'all:

"a critique is an objective view of a piece of art in light of one's own experience; a negative (or positive) critique embodies a subjective nature characteristic of one's own preconceptions and/or experience - not necessarily a truly critical and educated point of view."

So what you're saying is, a critique is objective, unless it is either negative or positive, then it becomes subjective? Wouldn't that make it criticism, rather than a critique? It's like saying calling truth a subjective fact, which is not the same thing at all.

"In the end, The Pirate Queen is and will be great. In a day when people herald Cats, Phantom, The Wedding Singer, etc. despite their incredible shortcomings, there is absolutely no way that The Pirate Queen is horrible. Sail on or sail short - The Pirate Queen stands as a triumph in musical theatre."

Is that your critique? Sounds like opinion being stated as fact, which is not very objective.

"I never said that my opinion was anything but subjective at this point - my mutterings were in fact a proposal to the masses to consider their musings"

Ahhhhh.....huh? That's a really weird sentence. What was the proposal? Who's getting married? Momma, I'm a big girl now. What?

"just making it this far - to even the light of day and the broadway stage is an accomplishment - failure or success, the odds of making it to Broadway are small and The Pirate Queen has set sail"

Well, to be honest, the last two out of three B&S musicals made it to Broadway and were huge successes, so the fact that this one made it to Broadway, success or not, is not the biggest accomplishment. Or even surprising. Brooklyn, Lennon, In My Life and Street Corner Symphony making it to Broadway were "accomplishments". Pirate Queen is really par for the course.

"I like how the same arguments come up every time a mediocre (or worse) show begins previews on Broadway."

I think you mean, "every time ANY show begins previews on Broadway". I mean, c'mon! I remember these same feuds for Hairspray, Millie, Wicked, Brooklyn, Spamalot, Sweet Charity, Whoman in White, Avenue Q, and countless others.

"How many threads can there BE on PQ at one time?"

One word: Wicked

Please, this is nothing!

(Marc Shaiman rox)

[B3TA07]

Posted: 3/7/07 at 5:08pm

^That is true. So far, though (I've only been posting here since November, though) it seems to me it gets much bloodier when most agree that the show isn't going to turn up a positive critical response.

[Mister Matt]

Posted: 3/7/07 at 5:14pm

Au contraire! I don't think anyone got upset that most people didn't like In My Life. That was a unique exception.

[Bobo2]

Posted: 3/7/07 at 5:16pm

Well I'm going to try and see it. For $25 how bad can it be.

[perfectliar]

Posted: 3/7/07 at 5:23pm

If they're already selling the entire house for $25, I can't imagine it'll be long until they're throwing free tickets at people.

[NDR]

Posted: 3/7/07 at 5:34pm

Updated On: 3/8/07 at 05:34 PM

[WonderBoy]

Posted: 3/7/07 at 5:39pm

Oh, who cares?! That guy doesn't matter! Let him stay,
locked up for another half an hour! The police will be here by then and there are two dead bodies in the study!!

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 3/7/07 at 6:11pm

This all reminds me of the good ole' days of all those Dance of the Vampires threads.