Sweeney Tanks in 2nd Week of Release — Page 4

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#76

burton and depp have ruined my glorious hbc

Posted: 12/30/07 at 8:53pm

I freaking hate National Treasue!

He's a faker, and you've been taken in by his con. And in doing so, you are enabling him. He is doing more damage to aspergers than papa's words ever could. -Chane/Liverpool on me having asperger syndrome.

#77

burton and depp have ruined my glorious hbc

Posted: 12/30/07 at 8:58pm

Alright so I am totally wondering just how gross this movie is...
I mean will I not want Spaghetti Sauce for a couple days?

"Whenever I get gloomy with the state of the world, I think about the arrivals gate at Heathrow Airport. General opinion's starting to make out that we live in a world of hatred and greed, but I don't see that. It seems to me that love is everywhere. Often it's not particularly dignified or newsworthy, but it's always there - fathers and sons, mothers and daughters, husbands and wives, boyfriends, girlfriends, old friends. When the planes hit the Twin Towers, as far as I know none of the phone calls from the people on board were messages of hate or revenge - they were all messages of love. If you look for it, I've got a sneaky feeling you'll find that love actually is all around."

#78

burton and depp have ruined my glorious hbc

Posted: 12/30/07 at 9:13pm

Okay, bk, can't let that go by without a comment.

Yes, I hate myself for causing my own pain and suffering and not valuing me for what I am truly worth, but I'm a lover, not a fighter, so I'm trying to go easy on myself and take it out on the furniture instead.

Now, as to Sweeney. I'm told the cost before prints and advertising was $50 million. That means the studio will consider themselves happy with anything above 75 million. It's heading toward 30 and it hasn't broken that wide yet. Apparently, they will add theaters in January.

At 50 million, frankly, it's a very cheapfilm for a retasker and by that, you know I mean this film will be around for decaeds and they'll make $$$ off of it with every iteration - DVD, Blue Ray, cable, local and whatever the next delivery system is and athe one after that and the one after that. Let's face it, musicals have shelf life.

Depp, Burton, Sondheim and perhaps Carter will get Academy nods and that's great studio prestige. And again all for 50,000,000 in an era when big films typically cost 100 to 200 million.

The cost of this film, per hour to manufacture was very low. The returns will still be rolling in long after you and I are dead.

Doesn't sound like tanking to me.

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#79

burton and depp have ruined my glorious hbc

Posted: 12/30/07 at 9:23pm

allofmylife, what would Sondheim get a nom for? I thought pre-written scores could not be nominated.

I am a firm believer in serendipity- all the random pieces coming together in one wonderful moment, when suddenly you see what their purpose was all along.

#80

burton and depp have ruined my glorious hbc

Posted: 12/30/07 at 9:29pm

I did not use the word "tanking" so credit it elsewhere, all of my life. You're forgetting one little thing - while the film's budget may have started out at fifty, it's been reported elsewhere that with F/X overruns it's more like sixty-five. When you say the studio will be happy with seventy-five, I think you simply don't understand how box-office works. They don't GET all that money, you know. At the BOX-OFFICE, a film has to make two-and-a-half times its negative costs to cover its production costs. This is a very old formula and it's how box-office has worked for many years. That doesn't take into account all the ancillary sales - those are separate and, of course, will help the film get closer to break even. Then you're also forgetting that pesky marketing, prints, and advertising costs, which most people who know about these things are pegging at around thirty million. So, seventy-five will not cut it, nor will it be anywhere near cutting, and again, I ask who cares? If the studio doesn't (and they clearly don't), then why is it so important for everyone here to think that it's doing better than it is? It's doing what it's doing - that's the end of the story, really. It is clear to all who WANT to look at it in a dispassionate way, away from what they feel about the film, that the film is not going to be a big grosser. Maybe, ultimately, it will make its costs back and maybe it won't, but to try and say it's doing well or even really well at this point in time is just not understanding how things work. Jackie's post that includes the box-office analysis from someone who's been doing that for years, says everything that needs to be said. Otherwise, it's just a bunch of armchair experts doing their endless thing.

#81

burton and depp have ruined my glorious hbc

Posted: 12/30/07 at 9:52pm

"hermionejuliet---You have a great point about a PG-13 rating on a musical film. It might not have helped it out at all.

But would it have been possible to release an effective and thrilling "Sweeney Todd" with a lesser rating than R?

Yep. It would."

Oh, I agree it would have, but in a way I respect Burton for going all out. Especially the the subject matter would never be appropriate for children regardless of the actual gore shown in the movie. Many parents don't have the actually "parental guidance" thing down, so perhaps this detered a few children from being scarred for life.

Not that it is really the director's responsibility.

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And I completely agree about the oven scene - they could have left that out...

So, that was the Drowsy Chaperone. Oh, I love it so much. I know it's not a perfect show...but it does what a musical is supposed to do. It takes you to another world, and it gives you a little tune to carry with you in your head for when you're feeling blue. Ya know?

#82