Tootsie controversy — Page 9

joevitus said: "TheBroadwayBubble said: "There was some controversy on social media this weekend over some of Tootsie's merchandise, specifically- that some thought it was offensive to the trans and gay community. Some of the merchandise has been taken down, but one shirt still remains up- the shirt says "Friend of Dorothy," and the other shirts/bags/stickers/pins all said "Being a woman is no job for a man." Thoughts everyone?"

HUGE sidebar, but I just want to point out that no gay man ever called himself or others a "Friend of Dorothy" as an out gay man (now 50), the only two times I've ever heard this phrase was from a(heterosexual) characterin Clueless and Milo Yiannopoulos. This is pseudo gay culture, folks."

I have been on cruise ships with the daily information sheets informing Friends of Dorothy meet tonight in the ??? at 6pm--better than Poofs at 6pm on A deck.

joevitus said: "It's anecdotal and you can't demonstrate you did, only that you heard it. Funny that no book anywhere from that time by and for gay men includes it.

Look, you clearly need to win this issue. So say something more, I won't respond and you can feel good about yourself. It seems more important to you (and others) than me."

You know, Joe, enough already. It is not I who needs to win - I have nothing to win. I and others have pointed you to many sources, some of us know when we first heard the expression - nothing is good enough for you. Well, friend, that's your problem. Good day.

Yeah, note the "I just came from" part. Doesn't have anything to do with what we're talking about. The phrase was used in Clueless--of course it's going to become part of gay culture now. That's not what I've been talking about.

Updated On: 8/1/19 at 06:02 PM

I'm sorry to start this up again, and I hope I can civilly convey what I am trying to say. I understand that a lot of people have many issues with t his musical. But I've seen things on social media that make me so upset, and make me think that people against the show are NOT handling their frustration in the correct way. I've heard people wish horrible things upon actors involved, their family members (Santino Fontana's wife is pregnant, and apparently people have wished bad things upon her). I understand freedom of speech and all that, but this is one step too far. Predicting a closing based on numbers is one thing; gloating about it, and celebrating it is taking it way too far. People are downright cruel. I understand that there are communities that are very, extremely offended and outspoken about the material and how it hurts their community, but honestly, with the out of town tryout, shouldn't people have been aware of what they were getting themselves into (as an audience member)? Couldn't they just avoid seeing the show and not say anything instead of wishing harmful things upon the cast, closings upon them, someone even told me that someone we both know wished Santino Fontana would get hit by one of the swinging lights in "Wait For Me" from Hadestown. Am I wrong in saying this is freedom of speech taken way too far? People have called it Transphobia the musical...I think people are just LOOKING to be upset by it. Am I wrong?

haterobics said: "This thread has lasted longer than the actual controversy."

Haterobics, I'm so sorry about that. I just didn't want to start a new thread regarding my frustration at how people have been expressing their feelings towards this show. I do apologize for dragging it out, but I felt I needed to say what I said above (...below?). I don't think the people who hate the show understand how cruel they're being. It's not okay.