"It is not vanity; it is inexperienced producers who don't want to let go of their dream. We've seen this all too often of late."
I consider those two things one and the same.
I really thought they were going to announce closing yesterday for the two week window for a New Year's closing. Guess they have more money to burn than I thought.
@neon, the required notice is 1 not 2 weeks. So in essence we are both saying we think it will close at the end of the same frame. "Vanity" has always meant of the creatives or cast, not the producers, but you of course are free to consider it as you wish.
Clyde15 said: "An ad for In Transit popped up on the Chat Board for me today. I thought the ad was odd for a number of reasons. But one think was that they didn't bill it as an acapella musical?"
Their new ads feature the tagline, "Broadway's New Musical Comedy" and just like you said, it doesn't say ANYTHING about the fact that the show is completely acapella! So weird!
I know the required notice is one week. But I guess I thought they'd want to be kind and give more than one week notice, especially during the holidays.
My friend in the cast says the producers are hoping to keep the show running through February. By then the show may find its audience. That said, they can see the empty seats they are playing to.
If it does close soon, I hope that it makes it to February 12. I really would like to see it, and that's when I will be in town next. :) But hey, I am one person who is going to buy one discount ticket. If it closes, I will be sad that I missed the opportunity to see what it was all about.
The "producers" (none of whom have ever produced a show before) have some of the deepest pockets in America. They can afford to keep throwing cash down the well if they want to.
No one here wants a good show to close. They want a better show which is (1) more worthy of broadway (2) doesn't constantly lose money because that's what keeps the new producers away from giving away to art ventures and gives overall bad name to theater. The speculation is around when (and if) the show will close because it's performing poorly and, in this case, not an objectively good show to begin with. This same group was incredibly sad when Fun Home closed, and will be when other actually good shows close.
No one here is willing the cast and crew into unemployment, not even in theory. You're falsifying the narrative. I know I am not willing unemployment on people, but if you're going to use that (false) line of argument, you're in theory willing unemployment to folks who'd replace this show.
Caption: Every so often there was a rare moment of perfect balance when I soared above him.
^Also, grosses. This thread wasn't created out of malicious intent or just totally unfounded questioning—In Transit's box office numbers have evidentially not appeared to be that sustainable. Therefore, predictive closing questions are valid ones to raise and discuss. I speak for myself when I say that I never, ever want cast and crew members to lose jobs, and that's of course the saddest part about closing announcements. But it's the reality and nature of the industry.
Editing/responding to ClumsyDude15's (now deleted) post: I will never understand the fascination with wanting to censor a conversation or consistently saying a particular conversation is in poor taste. People will discuss all aspects of the business, including closing dates, and no amount of prudery or holier-than-thou judgment can stop that. I just find this type of censure in such poor taste as people are perfectly justified in discussing whatever they like and so you're in theory willing them into only discussing topics you like.
as much as folks might just think of Broadway as entertainment, it is (except as to the non-profits, and that's not pertinent here) a business. And just as people talk about the fortunes of any business, they are going to talk about who is making money, who is losing money and, in the latter case, what effect that is likely to have on the continuation of the business. Are you opposed to discussions of which stores Sears and Kmart are going to close in 2017? Which newspapers will shutter? What it seems you want is a board in which everyone simply absorbs the entertainment producers provide passively. This is not that board.
HogansHero said: "The show is not going to close on Christmas day. I think it is likely it will announce Monday for close at New Years. It is not vanity; it is inexperienced producers who don't want to let go of their dream. We've seen this all too often of late."
Why do you care? It's not your money. If they want to throw money at their show to keep it running as long as possible, why does it matter to you? Do you somehow benefit from the show's closing?
"Why do you care? It's not your money. If they want to throw money at their show to keep it running as long as possible, why does it matter to you?"
Or: Why do you care? If people want to discuss a show's potential closing date and lack of commercial viability, why does it matter to you? Do you somehow benefit from an antipathy to this kind of discussion?
^ I didn't think Hogan implied that he cared. To me it seemed he was lamenting how unfortunate it is that inexperienced producers get blinded by vanity and don't see what's good for their investors.
Caption: Every so often there was a rare moment of perfect balance when I soared above him.
newintown said: ""Why do you care? It's not your money. If they want to throw money at their show to keep it running as long as possible, why does it matter to you?"
Or: Why do you care? If people want to discuss a show's potential closing date and lack of commercial viability, why does it matter to you? Do you somehow benefit from an antipathy to this kind of discussion?"
I have no issues with people speculating about a closing date nor the perceived lack of commercial viability of a show. However, the tone of quite a few opinions on the matter come across as if they are offended that the producers would dare to try and keep their show running. Ironic, since these are the same people who bemoan others for being glad when a show closes and puts people out of work.
And full disclosure, I benefit greatly when a show stays open; regardless of its profitability.
Valentina3 said: "^ I didn't think Hogan implied that he cared. To me it seemed he was lamenting how unfortunate it is that inexperienced producers get blinded by vanity and don't see what's good for their investors. "
The problem with that is it is merely an assumption. It's possible that the investors simply wanted to be associated with a Broadway show, regardless of its profitability. It's possible they say a flop and needed a tax write-off. Perhaps they just wanted to contribute funds to a show they believed in. And the producers have a fiduciary duty to their investors, which includes keeping a show running until there is absolutely no way to recover losses. Not every show costs 800K a week to run.
@Fosse, As others have noted, this is a reasonable subject to discuss. It's all well and good that people have money to burn (there is no such thing as a tax write-off that makes economic sense in this context) but I do not think that this trend we are seeing toward Don Quixote productions is good for the theatre. Broadway is complex analytically because at once it is a business, an artform and a sporting event. To try to make it less than all of those, as you seem to want to do, is to deny its essence.
"No one here wants a good show to close. They want a better show which is (1) more worthy of broadway(2) ... The speculation is around when (and if) the show will close because it's performing poorly and, in this case, not an objectively good show to begin with."
"Objectively?" Haven't you and others here proclaimed that what is good is entirely "subjective?"
"This same group was incredibly sad when Fun Home closed, and will be when other actually good shows close."
I guess I'm not a part of that "same group," a fact for which I am glad. Not only was I not incredibly sad when it closed, I was sad that it had ever been produced. Not only was it not "actually good," it was actually awful.
I, for one, will be sad indeed when and if In Transit closes. Not that it's any great shakes, but it's a hell of a lot more endurable than the shows you and the elitist crowd deem as "actually good." And if In Transit's occupying a theatre means a wretched endeavor like Fun Home and its ilk are not, then I hope In Transit runs forever.
whether the show is good or bad is irrelevant. Objectively, it did not find an audience and that's what this thread is about. However much someone loves a show, and thinks it should be exposed on Broadway, once it fails, keeping it open is just foolish.