13 Reasons Why on Netflix - Page 2

[Broadway Joe]

Posted: 4/25/17 at 12:41pm

hork said: "Also, I resent the way that this writer thinks she knows how suicide "works," or that it only "works" in a certain way. And Skye wasn't even contemplating suicide. That's not what was going on. 

 

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I forget her exact words but she said something like suicide is for the weak in one of the episodes. I never felt like she was contemplating suicide either cause we really never find out that much about her. 

 

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 4/25/17 at 2:29pm

Suicide is the second leading cause of death among adolescents in the United States. It's a serious problem. And the one thing the VAST majority (over 90%) of suicides have in common in an underlying mental health issue. 

If you suspect someone is suicidal the SINGLE most important thing you can do is link that person to a mental health professional. And if you have adolescents in your life educate yourself about the warning signs. 

Suicide Prevention Resource Center

http://www.sprc.org/

 

[hork]

Posted: 4/25/17 at 10:34pm

Broadway Joe - In regards to the spoiler part of your post, I'm sure that's what season 2 will be about, assuming they continue it, which I think is a safe assumption.

[HenryTDobson]

Posted: 4/25/17 at 10:50pm

hork said: "Broadway Joe - In regards to the spoiler part of your post, I'm sure that's what season 2 will be about, assuming they continue it, which I think is a safe assumption.

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The fact that this show will have a second season is troublesome.

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 4/26/17 at 9:38am

hork said: "Broadway Joe - In regards to the spoiler part of your post, I'm sure that's what season 2 will be about, assuming they continue it, which I think is a safe assumption."

 

13 Reasons why 13 Reasons Why shouldn't have a second season: http://ew.com/tv/2017/04/07/13-reasons-why-season-2/

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 4/27/17 at 9:56am

Liza's Headband said: "hork said: "Broadway Joe - In regards to the spoiler part of your post, I'm sure that's what season 2 will be about, assuming they continue it, which I think is a safe assumption."

 

13 Reasons why 13 Reasons Why shouldn't have a second season: http://ew.com/tv/2017/04/07/13-reasons-why-season-2/"

"Hannah's last wish has been fulfilled, and thanks to Clay Jensen, she probably got more closure than she had hoped for (cough tape 14)."

And that pretty much sums up everything wrong with the show. Hannah doesn't get any closure...she's DEAD. 

Updated On: 4/27/17 at 09:56 AM

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 4/27/17 at 11:58am

^ Yup. Exactly. 

[hork]

Posted: 4/27/17 at 11:44pm

ErikJ972 said: "Liza's Headband said: "hork said: "Broadway Joe - In regards to the spoiler part of your post, I'm sure that's what season 2 will be about, assuming they continue it, which I think is a safe assumption."

 

13 Reasons why 13 Reasons Why shouldn't have a second season: http://ew.com/tv/2017/04/07/13-reasons-why-season-2/"

"Hannah's last wish has been fulfilled, and thanks to Clay Jensen, she probably got more closure than she had hoped for (cough tape 14)."

And that pretty much sums up everything wrong with the show. Hannah doesn't get any closure...she's DEAD. 

That's kind of the point. Do you want her to be alive so she gets closure? Because that's a completely different show. There's no show if she's not dead. 

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 5/1/17 at 10:55am

13 Reasons Why’s Controversial Depiction of Teen Suicide Has School Counselors Picking Up the Pieces

"But the premise of the show, which treats Hannah’s death as something caused by the actions of other people, ranging from the ex-friend who blamed her for a breakup to the senior who sexually assaulted her, goes against everything we know about suicide, its causes, and means of prevention. It places the responsibility for a person's suicide on the survivors of suicide loss, creates a false illusion that a suicidal person can be in control after her death, and offers up no alternatives for Hannah besides killing herself. Paired with a graphic depiction of the act itself and the show’s wild popularity, 13 Reasons Why now has mental health advocates and suicide prevention organizations doing damage control.

13 Reasons Why flouts the established guidelines for depicting suicide, including the widely-accepted Recommendations for Reporting on Suicide, which exist to reduce the likelihood of suicide contagion, or “copycat suicides.” While the recommendations are geared more towards media coverage than fictional portrayals, they use data from more than 50 studies showing that certain ways of depicting suicide can present a risk of contagion. For example, coverage that sensationalizes or glamorizes suicide, that shows grieving loved ones or memorials, or that explicitly describes the suicide method can be dangerous to people who are already at risk.

13 Reasons breaks several of these rules, but its most talked-about departure is a scene in the show’s thirteenth and final episode, in which Hannah’s suicide is shown in graphic detail. In a deeply personal essay for Vanity Fair, Nic Sheff, a writer for the series, said that the scene was included “to dispel the myth of the quiet drifting off” and recalled how he once changed his mind about killing himself while remembering another survivor’s account of her own suicide attempt. But it’s critical to remember that Sheff’s essay, while emotionally compelling, is based on a single example—his own—and his claim that it would be “irresponsible” not to show the suicide is contradicted by numerous studies showing the harm that exposure to graphic depictions of suicide can do.

“Research indicates a vivid description, real or fictional, of a suicide can contribute to and perpetuate sensationalism and glorification, which may lead to copycat suicide behaviors or contagion,” said Phyllis Alongi, the clinical director of the Society for the Prevention of Teen Suicide and a licensed school counselor. Alongi also identified other problems with the show, including a scene in which students take selfies in front of a memorial on Hannah’s locker, as well as the series’ failure to meaningfully address mental illness, which plays a role in 90 percent of suicides. A set of “considerations” about 13 Reasons Whycreated by the National Association of School Psychologists recommends that vulnerable youth do not watch the show, as “its powerful storytelling may lead impressionable viewers to romanticize the choices made by the characters and/or develop revenge fantasies.” It also emphasizes that people do not commit suicide simply because they have been bullied; rather, it is typically the result of a combination of “treatable mental illness and overwhelming or intolerable stressors” and a lack of adequate coping mechanisms. Even the notion that a suicide could have been prevented by “loving someone back to life”—or at least trying, as the show suggests—can be damaging to survivors of suicide loss, who may already experience guilt."

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2017/05/01/school_counselors_talk_netflix_s_controversial_teen_suicide_drama_13_reasons.html

[hork]

Posted: 5/1/17 at 11:44am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suicides_that_have_been_attributed_to_bullying

[hork]

Posted: 5/1/17 at 12:07pm

It's like people don't want to admit that suicide occurs for all kinds of reasons, not just mental illness. I'm sure if they made a show about my own suicide attempt at 16 (which had nothing to do with mental illness), everyone would be saying they got it wrong. But "mental illness" is a safe label they can attach to the suicidal, so they don't have to admit that it can happen to anyone and isn't always preventable with therapy and medication.

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 5/1/17 at 2:15pm

With a topic this important I think it's a better bet to listen to mental health professionals and the vast amount of evidence based research that's been done on the topic instead of wikipedia pages or personal anecdotes. 

[hork]

Posted: 5/1/17 at 2:37pm

Fine, if you insist. Mental health professionals say 90% of suicides are the result of mental illness. Well, then, this show is about the 10% that aren't.

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 5/1/17 at 5:55pm

Your desperate attempt to defend this poorly done, incredibly manipulative schlock is slightly concerning. 

[hork]

Posted: 5/1/17 at 6:00pm

Your desperate attempt to attack this widely acclaimed series (mostly by posting poorly conceived articles written by other people) is far more concerning.

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 5/1/17 at 6:01pm

What metrics are you using to describe this as a "widely acclaimed series?" And please, provide more than anecdotes or links to a few blogs.  Thanks 

[hork]

Posted: 5/1/17 at 6:05pm

It has an 85% rating on Rotten Tomatoes. And I've read several raves.

[candydog2]

Posted: 5/1/17 at 7:19pm

One of my younger family members took her own life last year, so watching this series hasn't appealed to me - I've thought about it, but perhaps it's a little close to home.

Having said that, I don't necessarily disagree with it. Yes it probably does glorify suicide, making it look as though your story carries on after you end your life, a story which you have now taken control of. This is obviously not consistent with reality, but, at the end of the day, a writer has sat down and created this narrative. It's their world, their story and they can create whatever narrative they want. If they want to say that someone committed suicide because of bullying, revenge, sexual assault, whatever, then they can. It's their story.

Can this story and it's contradiction to real life have a negative impact on it's audience? Absolutely. But the writer is no more responsible for any copycat suicides than the people in the series being blamed for the main character's death. We are all responsible for our selves. Our mental health cannot be blamed on others, or a book, or a TV series. It is a medical issue, it is no one's fault, it must be dealt with as such.

I won't watch it, but I don't discourage anyone from doing so. It's TV, it's a story, a made-up world. Sure it'll hit some harder than others, but in that case do what I'm doing - avoid it.

[hork]

Posted: 5/1/17 at 7:38pm

^ Exactly.

[dramamama611]

Posted: 5/2/17 at 6:11am

But their target audience is young, and cannot always discern the difference.

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 5/2/17 at 7:54am

^Exactly.

And it's problematic when uniformed stars from the show are going around saying things like it should be mandatory viewing in classrooms.

Netflix Responds To ‘13 Reasons Why’ Backlash With New Trigger Warnings

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/netflix-13-reasons-why-trigger-warnings_us_59077c6ae4b05c3976812529?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

Updated On: 5/2/17 at 07:54 AM

[Jane2]

Posted: 5/5/17 at 11:29am

I just finished binge watching the show. Wow. Where to start? I know exactly where to start.

There are those who think this glorifies suicide. WHAT?. And how does this make suicide something admirable and worthy of praise?

There are those who think every suicide is committed by someone who is mentally ill. Did you connect at all with this story? Did  you feel anything while Hannah's life was shredded day by day? Did you understand that a teenager is ultra sensitive to peer acceptance, that that's the most important thing to a teenager? Did you notice that her peer acceptance was gone, little by little? And yet, Hannah tried to keep a stiff upper lip and try again, day after day? Do you really think Hannah was mentally ill?

Someone contemplating suicide doesn't see any way out. Perhaps if some of those "friends", if maybe ONE of those friends gave her hope, things would have been different.

I think this series should be required viewing. I'm quite sure that there's a large percentage of the population who aren't aware of the signs.

The article posted by Lisa's headband was written from one person's point of view, another teenager.I respect her experience, but that's as far as it goes for me.

I know a lot about mental illness, having a sibling who suffered from it her entire life. Yes, she attempted suicide a few times. Not all mentally iill people try suicide, and not all suicides are committed by mentally ill people.

This show was brilliant and spot on. Kudos to the actors and entire production team.

 

Updated On: 5/5/17 at 11:29 AM

[Jane2]

Posted: 5/5/17 at 11:50am

headband said "Your desperate attempt to defend this poorly done, incredibly manipulative schlock is slightly concerning. "

How is posting an opinion (as you did) considered desperation?

 

[ErikJ972]

Posted: 5/5/17 at 2:05pm

"Someone contemplating suicide doesn't see any way out."

And that's one of my biggest problems with the show. It doesn't offer any alternative to suicide.

When Hannah finally goes to seek help...she just happens to go see the worst school counselor in history. She tells him things that by law he would be mandated to act on. And he doesn't. That is a horribly dangerous message to send to a vunerable teen that may be thinking of harming themselves. You want to encourage them to get help. 

 

Updated On: 5/5/17 at 02:05 PM

[Liza's Headband]

Posted: 5/5/17 at 2:42pm

^ This.